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Re: Bug#364609: O: Gnus -- A versatile News and mailing list reader for Emacsen.

On 24 Apr 2006, Joey Hess outgrape:

> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Rubbish. I do no such thing, and I'll thank you not to try and
>> escalate this into a flamewar. The difference of opinion is merely
>> that -- differing views held by different people.
>> I consider the practice of creating a fake upstream version
>> and keeping the same upstream name as misleading, and to do so
>> knowingly is, in my view, unethical. There is a distinction.
> There might be better ways to avoid flamewars than characterising
> lots of other maintainers as unethical, FYI.

        Can you back this up? Which developer did I characterize as
 unethical?  Whom did I so name?  Or do you want to take it outside?

> joey@dragon:~>grep-available -F version dfsg | grep Maintainer |
> joey@dragon:~>sort | uniq -c
> 1 Maintainer: Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>
> 1 Maintainer: David Schleef <ds@schleef.org>
> 17 Maintainer: Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org>
> 5 Maintainer: Debian XML/SGML Group <debian-xml-sgml-pkgs@lists.alioth.debian.org>
> 1 Maintainer: Decklin Foster <decklin@red-bean.com>
> 2 Maintainer: Dima Barsky <dima@debian.org>
> 1 Maintainer: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org>
> 1 Maintainer: Laszlo Boszormenyi (GCS) <gcs@debian.hu>
> 2 Maintainer: Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at>
> 1 Maintainer: Thomas Bushnell, BSG <tb@debian.org>

        So what do you suggest? When asked why do I not follow a
 practice I deem unethoical, and I find other people (who do not think
 it unethical) follow this, what should I do? Lie? Refuse to explain
 why I am taking a stance? Plead the fifth?

        I was very careful to always characterize the issue as "a
 practice I find unethical", which is an accurate statement of my
 views.  Your mileage varies.  I did not start talking about people
 following practices I find unethical, though I have known about it
 for ages -- until I had to explain why I was orphaning a package on
 principle.  If you want to make it personal, you are of course free
 to do so, but do it off list.  Most people, like me, are unlikely to
 find that interesting.

You will feel hungry again in another hour.
Manoj Srivastava   <srivasta@debian.org>  <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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