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Re: Canonical's business model

On 1/11/06, Andrew Suffield <asuffield@debian.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:25:01PM -0200, Gustavo Franco wrote:
> (...)
> > Are you saying that they're spending more money with PR than really
> > contributing back ?
> I don't know about money, but I'm pretty sure their claims exceed
> their actions. I think that a sufficient response is to point this out
> whenever people start worshipping Canonical in public.

If it's a reality, it's up to us inform them that they're spending
more words than work giving Debian something back. In my view, they're
just organizing and publishing the contributions in a way that aren't
satisfiying the Debian majority.

We are complaining about different aspects and some of them were
already addressed, others aren't. Let me try list some of them:

We don't like:
- Canonical is saying more than doing (is it a consensus?);

- Scott's pile of patches and utnubu by_maint list isn't enough;

What we want:
- DDs wants to know when there's a patch for their packages into
Ubuntu that applies to Debian. PTS already lists them in "Patches"
section but it links to Scott's patches and we don't like them, right?
I think we can ask for a revision control system from them and do some
work on PTS (if possible) to mail us or just list the logs in the

Solved stuff (IMHO):
- If you talk with a Ubuntu developer or contributor probably he won't
ignore you. Many of us tried and some are working together with us on
alioth projects or something else;

- The Ubuntu 'universe' has packages that Debian hasn't. There's a
initiative there to contribute back to Debian;

- We won't accept automatic bug reports with each changeset as a patch
for every changed package in Ubuntu;

I'm sure that you can help me with this list, and i think that we can
keep the discussion around "what we have", "what we need", 'what is
solved", things like that. We need to define it, and not only point
the (past and current) problems.

Closing, i hope to see the same effort spread over others Debian
"related" companies and their business model.

Gustavo Franco

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