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I did ask, Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Dear Jeroen and everybody,

here attached is an email I sent in September.

Yes, I did ask to ftp-masters clarifications about your proposal in
and never received a reply.

Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote:
> While you indeed haven't got a later mail, you also didn't ask for one
> to the best of my knowledge (my memory isn't infallible, so I might be
> wrong, if so, I'm sorry, please correct me)...

yes, your memory failed  :-)
(you are in the CC of the attached email)

> I'm wondering what bit of my last few lines in the quoted email were
> unclear. While I specifically noted that removing mpeg encoding stuff
> might or might not be required, I explicitely said that stripping it
> anyway will make the whole pondering on whether it can be in the
> (source) package at all moot for the question whether mpeg encoding
> would be legal to ship on ftp.debian.org. 

(sorry my english fails me here)

>To the best of my knowledge,
> mpeg encoding stuff is nowhere near the core funcionality of mplayer
> anyway, isn't it?

yes AFAIK mencoder cannot encode MPEG2 in this version (that is in NEW

> Of course, if this way is choosen and is turning out
> to work out, later inclusion of the mpeg encoding stuff in mplayer must
> be discussed with ftp-master prior to it happening -- we (as in, Debian
> users in general) just get to have a chance of a slightly crippled
> mplayer in the archive in the meanwhile.

I agree

> As in all cases, final verdict on whether a package will pass NEW
> is made at the time it's sitting in NEW and being processed by an
> ftp-master team member

Of course.

This is what I have been waiting for. For 880 days, roughly.

>From debdev Mon Sep 26 11:33:39 2005
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:33:39 +0200
To: ftpmaster@debian.org
Cc: Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de>, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>,
	Dariush Pietrzak <eyck@forumakad.pl>,
	Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org>,
	Jeroen van Wolffelaar <jeroen@wolffelaar.nl>
Subject: questions on mplayer 
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Dear ftp-masters,=20
(and in particular Jeroen van Wolffelaar and Joerg Jaspert,
who have discussed the problem before),

in April 2005, during a thread discussing inclusion of mplayer in Debian,
at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00997.html
J. van Wolffelaar  expressed the opinion that nowadays the only
issue still blocking acceptance of mplayer in Debian may be=20
the (*) presence of MPEG encoding software.=20

[(*) as a matter of fact, up to some time ago AFAIK mplayer was unable to
 encode MPEG stream; but I heard that they are working on it]

J. van Wolffelaar also said though that "We're not (yet?)  saying it's
*required* to strip MPEG encoding stuff, but in my personal opinion,
it seems likely that this is what it'll turn out to be."

I would be very grateful if the ftp-masters team may finally decide
what are the requirements so that mplayer be accepted into Debian;
in doing so, they may want to read
where M J Ray summarizes and links many info.

To fix ideas, I would need official (at least privately to us) answers
to these questions:

1) can mplayer be included into Debian, possibly with some fixes,
 including removal of source from the mplayer...orig.tar.gz ?
2) (if yes) do we need to remove MPEG decoding stuff?
3) what other problems should we fix ?
 (please read  http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html
  to know what has been already fixed )

The above questions are somewhat urgent, since the current version of
mplayer in NEW has a security bug, so I would love to prepare a new
version, and I would love to prepare it to comply to any request by
the ftp-masters, so that I may upload it into NEW for their review.


Andrea Mennucc
 "Ukn ow,Ifina llyfixe dmysp acebar.ohwh atthef"

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