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Re: Debian and the desktop

Quoting Joey Hess (joeyh@debian.org):
> Christian Perrier wrote:
> > (hey, this is why "desktop" installs the whole bloat of KDE *AND* Gnome ). 
> It's possible that this statement is false, and that some change might
> have been made in this area under less than clear circumstances as a
> kind of experiment just to see how long it takes for someone to notice
> and what traspires if they do. Or not.

I currently don't see what's exactly meant in you above statement,
Joey. KDE and Gnome tasks have been created but they don't appear in
tasksel and are more (as far as I've understoof) intended for making
the life of derived distributions easier.

And, anyway, the KDE/Gnome thing is only one of the points I meant
about the "usability" of our default desktop system, when we target
our dear Bob User.

For sure, one of the problems we have is more or less mentioned
in my initial mail: we (d-i team) maintain what currently installs the
default Debian desktop...however we do not test it enough...because we
focus on the many other issues we're all working on.

And, indeed, when I say that "we" maintain tasksel, the reality is
that *you*, Joey, maintain tasksel...:). And, except your testing lab
and a few installation reports we get, we don't have that much
feedback and testing made on stuff installed by default on a Debian
desktop system.

We usually know that it either "works" or "is broken"....but when it
works (it usually does), we don't really know whether the result is
something that can be used by Bob without reading the entire set of
books about Debian.

I hope that this discussion will trigger enough interest among fellow
developers and lead much more testing and activity around this.

(hoping it won't turn in a nice thread tree like the ones you
described once in a famous post in your blog)

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