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Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 06:13:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:

> > You never worked with me and therefore can't really comment on
> > that. Please stay with facts, not guesses...
> 	Yes, and thus your emails are what I have to go by when
>  forming an opinion of you. I still recall the buildd and security
>  fiasco. Let me put it this way: I am underwhelmed by your social
>  skills, and ability to work with a team.

Ok, when you cite the buildd "security" story, then you cite the inability
by Mr. Troup to cooperate and communicate as well. 
The so called "security" issue wasn't one at all because of prior explained
facts. I simply refused to blindly accept his sudden "policy", because I
don't wanted to trap into his pitfalls again (doing well-known stuff and
then being accused of violating some new policy which had not been made
public in advance). 
Actually the buildd story is an excellent example that Mr. Troup is simply
not able to do his job as it deserves to be done. It was all about what is
happening now and again and again... 

> > You're missing the history of how this has been evolved over the
> > long run.  If you've a solution, then act in that way. Otherwise it
> > will still be blahblah...
> 	Still demonstrating the skills that made you such a valuable
>  team player, I see.

I still miss your steps how do you plan to solve the running gag of
ftpmaster/DAM/DSA complaints... 

> >> > Nobody forced you to take over a job - but if you take over a
> >> > task, you should be able to get forced to do something that is
> >> > part of your job.
> >> As I said, Debian is not the project you are looking for.
> > Why do you think, Debian was/is the project I'm looking for? Just
> > because I'm using it and got involved in some manner, doesn't mean
> > that I've looked for it.
> 	You evidently have a strong opinion of how the proiject
>  should be run.  Debian ain't it. This definitely not the project you
>  are looking for. Move along, now.

Ah, so if volunteers contributing to Debian are not doing that way you want,
you make them go away. That makes sense pretty much, indeed... 
Yeah, Debian is really a great place for volunteers, isn't it?

> 	Yup, the same moronic the worlkd is either black or white
>  approach. I'll try to spell it out, and keep away from polysyllabic
>  words.  You are not a member of the project, and thus are not fully

Hooray! Once again the "you're not a part of the project, you have no say"

>  aware of how project internals work. You do not have input, nor the
>  history, of the internal processes; you are thus not really in a
>  position to sweep away the processes and redesign how we work
>  internally.

Did I say that? I said, that I prefer a radical change in Debian over a
fork, not that *I* want to do that. I'm quite sure that you simply missed
that point in the heat of discussing and not of missing the ability to read
and understand. 

Ciao...              // 
      Ingo         \X/

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