Re: Bug#133578: gdm bug #133578. Intend to NMU.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:26:11 +0200, Michael Piefel <email@example.com> said:
> Am Di, den 20.04.2004 schrieb Sebastien Bacher um 10:00:
>> If you don't care of working on that, so you simply don't care of
>> this package ...
> I do not believe it is the maintainers responsibility to fix a
> problem inherent to the program in question. Fix packaging problems,
> fix trivial bugs, relay severe bugs upstream. Anything else is
You have a strange view of the resposibilities of a Debian
I think I tend to disagree violently here. I really expect
more of a debian developer than a glorified bureaucrat -- we are
trying to create the best free distribution, and that often entails
making the package *better* than what is created upstream, and then
reporting the improvements back upstream.
Developers are far more than packagers with a @d.o email, they
are responsible for ensuring that their packages fit policy
(including ensuring the config files are looked for in /etc; closing
any /tmp race bugs). They also have a responsibility to act on behalf
of our users and bring upstream bugs to the attention of upstream,
and help upstream by triaging problem reports and ensuring that there
is enough data for upstream to solve problems that the developer can
And no, all the rest of it is not optional. I reject the
premise that all a developer has to be is a a glorified packager, who
mechanically packages software, and shuffles off problems with the
package blindly upstream. How can we say we are trying to build the
best OS out there with a bunch of people merely marking time?
I see a developer as an active participant in the improvement
of the software they maintain (we are maintainers, after all, not
packagers); who actively ensure the package integrates into the
Debian system. In the early days of the FSSTND,there was a lot of
work done to modify packages to fit the file system, and in several
cases far in advance of the upstreams willinglness to accept the
changes (I struggled with LaTeX2HTML for years).
A maintainer has always made changes, accepted by upstream or
not, to integrate the software into the set of Debian standards.
Membership in Debian is not an entitlement; a certain amount
of commitment is definitely expected. Speaking as one who has not had
a whole lot of time recently, I still thik that quality of Debian is
more important than letting folks who are busy just neglect doing
what thier packages require.
If their lack of time is lowering the quality of the
distribution, I think they should get rid of some (all) their
packages till they have more time to devote to the project. We
already have an NMU mechanism. What we need is a place where busy
people can log their lack of time in the short term, and ask for
Indecision is the true basis for flexibility. Manoj Srivastava
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