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Re: Bug#191037: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:32:46 +0200, Emile van Bergen
<emile-deb@evbergen.xs4all.nl> said:  

> On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 05:54:37PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:

>> I'd certainly feel better if there were a broader consensus than
>> just Debian before moving in this direction.

> I think if Debian comes up with a good idea that's applicable to any
> Unix, be it Free/Open/NetBSD or the commercial *nixes, it would be a
> waste to wait with the implementing it till the others adopt it
> before us.

> Also, others may not adopt till they have seen a succesful
> implementation. Incidentally, this also applies to the FHS.

>> So, for now I'll sit back and see what other people do about /run.

> If you mean other GNU/Linux distributions or the *BSDs, don't hold
> your breath. If you mean Debian developers, it seems that a lot of
> good progress is being made.

	I am concerned about the impact these changes will have on
 interoperability with other machines in a heterogeneous
 environments.  Are we facting in the negatives of doing things
 differently from everyone else into this decision? 

	I had a number of questions about this, that I posted in the
 -policy mailing list; and there have been some answers. 

: Issues of concern: Do we have a consensus on a solution? is
: this doable? How much impact would it have on compatibility? What is
: the initial reaction to the proposal on the FHS lists?

	If we are going to go through with this transition, we'll have
 to defend our choice at several points, to several parties. I suggest
 the proponents of this change put together a central location
 (preferably a web site) with the arguments for this.

	I would suggest some starting points:
 a) The use case that motivate this proposal:
    The debian-devel mailing list, 
        From: Thomas Hood <jdthood0@yahoo.co.uk>
        Message-Id: <[🔎] 1051519610.1866.98.camel@thanatos>
        Subject: Re: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root
    I would also suggest expanding on these, and presenting a
    Rationale for each case. 

 b) List of changes proposed, made, and to do:
        From: Thomas Hood <jdthood0@yahoo.co.uk>
        Message-Id: <[🔎] 1051385207.2498.72.camel@thanatos>
        Subject: /run/, resolvconf and read-only root

 c) List of changes in behaviour

 d) Impact on interoperability: how would administering a Debian box be
    different from administering any other Linux box? (based on c)

 e) List of negatives for the proposal, and a rebuttal. I suggest you
    ask the opponents for collaboration on this section.

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