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Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks



Hi Tomohiro,

On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:14:07PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:

> At Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:02:08 -0400,
> Luke Seubert wrote:

> > Many thanks for the suggestion.  I checked your website, and was surprised
> > to see that gnome-terminal does not display Japanese.  Is this still the
> > case?

> At first, I have to say that the page is very old and the situation
> is changed now.  I just introduced the page only to show the impression
> of what is mojibake.  Now, eterm and rxvt-beta supports LC_CTYPE
> sensibility for ISO-8859-*, KOI8-*, and east Asian encodings, though
> they don't support Thai, Arabic, Hebrew, nor UTF-8.

I've recently picked up the multibyte support I had started adding to
Eterm a year ago, and making good progress.  When I'm done, Eterm will
support UTF-8, as well as other East Asian encodings.  It should also
support Thai encodings, since AIUI the main issue with Thai is combining
characters, which I'm testing plentifully.

I understand that mej is planning an upstream release within the month,
so that's what I'm aiming for.  There's a lot of code to be redone,
though, so we'll see whether I get it done in time. :)

I've been reviewing your posts regarding LC_CTYPE sensibility, and
honestly, I don't understand what all the concern is about -- or how so
many xterms can handle this so badly.  From what I see, good LC_CTYPE
handling seems to follow naturally from proper application of
XmbDrawString(), mbtowc(), and wcwidth()[1] -- or are there bugs in
these functions?

> There are several such examples that newer version of some software
> drops i18n support because of careless development.  It is very sad
> for developers who wrote i18n support for previous version.  This
> *does* sometimes occur because most developers in the world don't
> know about i18n well nor can test in various (especially, non-European)
> locales.

Testing the *display* of other charsets should be easy enough; just
download Markus Kuhn's reference UTF8 text file, and play around with 
that + iconv...

Cheers,
Steve Langsaek
postmodern programmer

[1] wcwidth_cjk(), perhaps

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