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Re: apache2: clearing the air [please read]

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 05:51:15PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 06:08:34AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 11:57:14AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > Daniel Stone wrote:
> > > > If you scrolled down further, you'd see that apache2 doesn't provide any
> > > > of the webserver packages. (It doesn't conflict with apache, mind, as it
> > > > was designed to, and does, work side-by-side).
> > > This strikes me as quite short-sighted. What about transitions from
> > > apache to apache2? Is debian not even going to try to provide an upgrade
> > > path from the one to the other? apache 1.x WILL die some day.
> > I'm not getting your point. They run side-by-side, but I don't know if
> > an upgrade path will ever be possible, because of the wildly different
> > nature of the two. Have we got a Netscape->Konq upgrade path yet? (Don't
> > laugh, it's proposing more or less the same thing).
> Thbbbt.  You mean like the window that pops up the first time you run
> galeon on a system as a given user, asking you if you want to import
> your Netscape bookmarks?

It's less trivial than that if you actually think about it. Most admins,
for lack of any decent virtual hosting system, have created their own 
system for config files, and it is beyond any reasonable expectation for
apache2 to interpret this. It would completely screw up our current
virtual hosting system because we don't know how to split it.

> And most people are expecting Apache 2.0 to supersede and replace Apache
> 1.x in their hosting environments.  Making more work for the many admins
> who /don't/ want to run Apache 1.x and 2.0 side-by-side just because
> they /can/ be run side-by-side doesn't make for a very enticing approach
> to me.

No, this is completely wrong. I will never write a migration path
because it's virtually impossible. We have not made it *any* more work
to migrate, just easier if you want to do it gradually by slipping in
apache2 on port 81.

It is *not* any easier to migrate if we ripped out the side-by-side bit
(stuff the grammar, I'm on lagged SSH). You know where the source is.
Post a patch to the BTS.

Daniel Stone						    <daniel@sfarc.net>
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