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Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description



On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:43:10PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:44:01PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > See also the other mail: >50 changes in 10 days in main/sid
> 
> In a single package? Huh?

no.

The description of >50 deb-packages from the debian distribution
main/sid/binary-i386 (with >6000 Packages) had changed in the last 10
days.

> > But if you include the translation only in the debian/control you have 
> >  - delays (maybe we have a override file and can solve this)
> >  - you will have outdated translations (like debconf now)
> 
> Yes, such is life. I don't see these as being sufficient reason
> to invent a completely new system for dealing with this data.

No outdated translations is a very big problem. The system should
better show untranslated descriptions than outdated translation. 

Also the delay is a big problem. And if the the maintainer fast and
upload after a change in the translation, we kill all the autobuilder.

A translation is no 'data' like Dependes, Description, Package. 

A translation is only a translation, a other form of the data in a
other languages and a other encoding. And we don't need a completely
new system for translations! We have a old, very well tested system
and we propose to use this system: gettext.

Gettext make all the work and we don't need a new system in dpkg and
apt.

> >  - you must patch dpkg etc. in a wide way
> 
> This is not a good excuse. dpkg is a Debian-specific tool,
> and so it should be modified if there is good reason to do so.
> Don't work around it.

I agree with this.

If we need new features in dpkg, we should patch it. And yes, we have
propose a patch for dpkg.

But you should not break the dpkg with a big patch only for
translation. Make it smart. Use this -9/+30 patch and you have it.

> > We can include the translation in the package. This is not the
> > problem, but please not in the control file. The translation is no new
> > information of the package, it is only a translation. Only a other form of
> > the orignal text.
> 
> I don't see why the distinction is necessary.

sorry, it is usefull. 

Gruss
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