Re: I broke it - again.
On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 09:40:31PM +0200, Michael Moerz typed:
} On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 12:41:49PM -0500, An Thi-Nguyen Le wrote:
} > } But do you think the creators of the whole packaging system suppose you to
} > } manually upgrade/downgrade everything? I should normally work without much
} > } user-interference.
} > It's *unstable*. It's **unstable**. It's UNSTABLE.
} > We're talking about one situation where things broke down. In an
} > unstable, pretty dang near experimental (if not already so) distribution.
} unstable is unstable, only experienced people should run UNSTABLE.
} experimental is experimental, only hard core people or ill minded people will
} take this.
I fall into the latter category of ill-minded people actually. :)
} I am complete your opinion that things are allowed to break. If someone
} feels the way of using unstable it's completely left over to him to repair
} things when something breaks. In some situations even the experienced
} people have to cope with problems they have never seen before. Then
} they might ask somebody else. So I see nothing illegal about asking
} questions at all.
I'm not saying that asking questions is illegal. :-/ Nor am I attacking
you for answering questions. My concern was just that the latter criticism
of the packaging system didn't apply here because it was a Weird Situation.
Stuff doesn't always work out. On the other hand, version pinning (in the
CVS version of apt, I believe) is going to be coming someday, which will
probably relieve some headaches.
} Newbies to unstable might give it a try, but they may face a
} unrecoverable situation. The point is that this group of people seems
} to grow cause they wanna use the most recently software. What follows
} is *sigh* that they do not read this or other mailing-lists and end up
} in situations that are everything else than good.
Very true. But unstable is *still* unstable, regardless of whether people
ignore it or not. It's a risk. It's not been thoroughly tested. While
an influx of new testers is prolly a good thing, it's not a good thing if
they're not prepared for it. What about RedHat's Rawhide, for instance?
} I have been using unstable for over a year now, currently I am in the
} progress of becoming a debian-maintainer and I think that I can master
} debian. Of course sometimes I find *new* features that have been there
} a long time but I wasn't aware of them. Normally I tend to be able
} to fix problems without help. I mean I try as long as it takes me to
} make it work, but yes there are people who shoot around with question
} even before they face a problem.
It's OK to ask questions and such. I would ask a *ton* of questions.
No one is going to figure out everything on their own. At the same time
it's usually nice and respectful to others if the questioner has done a
little bit of research, at least imho.
} What results now is that I will NOT answere any issues here
} anymore. Neither if they are easy to resolve or not. I was tired, tried my
} best and surely was not realy coping good with the situation. I already
} apologiezed for my behaviour and I do now again. If you feel better now,
} I will not.
You are over-reacting to *one* post. *ONE* post, made by a relatively
An Thi-Nguyen Le
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