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Re: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 06:30:40PM -0500, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> i don't really feel that this issue pertains specifically to the kernel, or
> X, or apache. it has much more to do with the fact that our release practice
> makes it impossible to have Good Software Now. we spend all of our time
> fixing bugs in our pre-packaged software while the upsteam folks make the
> software we packaged better. we end up with sub-standard software that
> installs very well. i believe we have a responsibility to our users and
> eachother to release more often. i'm asking for comments and ideas on how to
> make this work.

The 2.1rX system appears to work reasonably well currently.  It would be nice
to have more of the popular packages updated and tested on stable.  Perhaps a
mini-development-cycle for stable updates.. (I believe the existing ideas
about a package pool could be put into play here)

A more temporary measure would be keeping a list of sites for updated packages
for stable that developers maintain.  A set of sources.list lines of
individual stable repositories (of existing developers or other trusted

> yes, we do have to test the kernel. that's true of everything we package.
> but i don't want it to be another 12 months before debian ships with what
> the rest of the community considers a standard kernel. i want to use the new
> features of the kernel as soon as they are ready. i want provide fast,
> dynamic websites on SMP servers. i want to have a better looking desktop
> than the NT guys. i want to help prove that free software can do all of
> these things and that you don't have to be a huge corporation (or inflated
> IPO) to make it happen.

Personally, I hardly ever install a debian kernel package - unless it's a new
install and no net connection yet.  I use the ``kernel-package'' package to
wrap up my own kernel compiles nicely.

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