Ok, I'll admit I over stepped my definite knowledge and said some things I should not... And on to the message... On Fri, Oct 30, 1998 at 02:04:37PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: > [I'm sort of upset so this mail might be offending.] > > Bo Branton wrote: > > I think think is unacebtable! If someone is interested in becoming a > > package maintainer and put a lot of work in building a package with a > > program he think is usable to the debian comunity he should be treated > > with respect and that includes getting an answer on the > > new-maintainer request within a week. > > I also think this is inacceptable. > > a) Somebody (B) is trying to force some other folk (J2) to spend > their time only on B. It is their free time and they (J2) have to > decide what has higher priority. The day has only 24hours > (currently) and some of us do have a real life where they study, > work, have a family or g/f or similar. As I have suggested it may work better to try and spread the work out a bit, nobody can do everything... <snip> > d) If you want to speed up things, why don't you work on things that > are really urgently needed? > (Grouping all 3 together) > . We have no cd-creation tool. > . We have no definitive way of splitting the main archive. > . We have nobody working on this issue. Not everyone has the disk space (over a gig) to try messing with this stuff, and its kinda hard to work on such things if you can't have even a partial copy to work with.. > . We have unmet packages dependencies. Last time I tried tracking this stuff down and filing bug reports I did not get a very friendly response, granted it got semi-fixed in the end, however.... > . We have packages in main that depend or recommend packages > outside of main. Again, attempting to file bug reports against a number of packages at a time for the same reason has not been taken well, perhaps I somehow went about it the wrong way, however.. > . Do we have a current installation manual? Something which is hard to do right, but yes, it is something which we need... > . There is still a lot of work to do for the boot-floppies. I > begin to realize that *only* Enrique is working on this. Yeks, I'll look into seeing how I can help with that, hmm, now if I only had a system I could install on over and over and over... (I'm actually working on one, however...) > > Work on this and present us with solutions and then come back and > nag the people who are trying to resolve these issues instead of > processing a new maintainer who would - in the worst case - only > introduce new bugs. And in most cases would actually be able to help with the above mentioned problems.. > > e) What makes you think that your tiny package is more important than > the other 2500 packages in main? Who is to judge which package is the most important? Last I looked that what one of the beauty's of free software.. > > > Zephaniah wrote: > > Interesting, as NO ONE seems to know who actually does it... > > So you want to join a group of nobody's? Give me a reason for that. I've been trying to find a list of who actually handles the new maintainer requests, I've asked people on the irc channel, I've looked on the web pages, and I still can't find it, perhaps I'm missing something really obvious, but no one who I have talked to actually knows who all actually works on the new maintainer requests.. > > > Also might it be reasonable for said people to reduce the number of > > packages they maintain so what time they do have could be spent > > processing new maintainers instead of digging through bug reports and > > such? (Work which could be filled in by say, the new maintainers?) > > Cool. Look at d) and take over them. Its a little hard to take over packages before your a registered developer.. (Note that I have /not/ submitted my request yet, I'm waiting to get a few more signatures on my key from people who verified I'm me at the ALS, have stu's already tho) > > Please pick packages with long-standing open bugs and *FIX THEM* > before just spreading junk. I've been working on some.. (Ask wichert about the shell subbing in modutils *ducks*) > > If you haven't noticed yet, we're about to freeze the distribution and > this has a much higher priority than approving new maintainer > that... look at the end of d) in the list above. *cough* X when Overfiend could be working on other things *cough* > > Zephaniah wrote: > > How about opening the positions for handling new maintainers? > > Huh? If people want to work on a particular job they are always > invited to ask for help. Wrt. new-maintainer this has happened a year > ago when we took over it because *nothing* happened. Like I said > above, preparing the new release has a much higher priority. Wait and > become happily a part of the project or continue to spread FUD and > retract your submission. Its sounding like you could use some help, I've not seen any requests for help, so I suggested a clear way for people to offer help with this, keeping in mind that it was mentioned that we don't want just anyone doing the job.... > > > First someone steps up and says they want to, then a vote is called (or > > it is handled the same way policy changes now are), if the vote passes > > then they get the position, simple.. > > Aha, so you want your request be processed in half a year? Fine with > me. *blinks* Erm, I must not have been entirely clear, the vote and sure is for new people wanting to help out with new maintainer requests... > > > I'd offer to submit a proposal for a policy change however I'm not a > > developer yet.. *cough* > > Isn't everybody able to make *proposals*? Wether the policy team > accepts them as regular topic is up to them. Was not positive about this.. > > I'm currently preparing Debian for a large bookware distribution in > Germany. This will spread the words of free software to *many* new > people who have never gotton in touch with free software, partially > even with non-ms software, before. Don't you think this is important? > I feel that this is soo much important that I for myself spend *all* > of my spare time to this task and to the freeze thing and reduce > *everything* (including sleep). If you don't like it, your problem. I don't have a problem with this, as long as your not the ONLY person who can manage the other matters.... (There is, after all, a reason for things like NMU's, among other things so things don't go completely unmaintained well the maintainer is overly busy with other things) Sorry for any FUD I may have spread.. Zephaniah E, Hull.. > > Joey > > -- > There are lies, statistics and benchmarks. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org > -- -- PGP fingerprint (http://whitestar.soark.net/~warp/public_key.pgp.asc) 1024/EA5198D1 1998/03/16 Zephaniah E, Hull <warp@whitestar.soark.net> Key fingerprint = 68 55 F2 C1 4B 95 1A 73 85 FC DB B3 35 B9 6E 15 GPG fingerprint (http://whitestar.soark.net/~warp/public_key.gpg.asc) 1024D/E65A7801 1998-10-29 Zephaniah E, Hull <warp@whitestar.soark.net> Key fingerprint = 92ED 94E4 B1E6 3624 226D 5727 4453 008B E65A 7801
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