Re: [RFC] Exim as standard Debian MTA?
Hi,
>>"Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <aj@dungeon.inka.de> writes:
>> This is not windows. I would expect to see a SMTP server on
>> any UNIX installation. The novice can still ttally ignore the server
>> and use netscape, but we should make it easier for them to learn (why
>> would a novice try to use Linux, unless they were willing to learn?)
Andreas> learning is why people want to use linux. but step by step
Andreas> and not 0 to 100. debian is a 0 to 100 system, for example
Andreas> you can't install many programs without answering
Andreas> configuration questions. to learn what the program is and
Andreas> how it works, you would need to read the manual first, what
Andreas> you can not do without first answering question. this is
Andreas> hard for learners.
This has nothing to do with installing a MTA. You may choose
to install an MTA, and ignore it and use netscape, if you wish.
As far as the 0-100 characterization, that is a matter of
personal perception. Any reasonably flexible and powerful tool has a
learning curve. And most UNIX lovers have tacitly agreed that the
flexibility was worth the learning curve.
I believe that you can't remove a learning curve without also
removing the power and flexibility.
Andreas> you also expect some mail client like elm, mutt, emacs, gnus
Andreas> or whatever on any unix installation. and these require an
Andreas> MTA, so you get one. you also expect cron on every unix
Andreas> installation, and cron will require an mta, so you get one.
Yes. What is your problem here?
Andreas> but debian isn't about what you think a unix should
Andreas> have. that way linux will never get to the desktop, because
Andreas> you are not used to work with desktop machines, rather unix
Andreas> workstations.
Then I think we should not be worrying about getting to the
desktop. I use Linux on my primary machine. If that makes it a
workstation, and not a desktop, I think we should concentrate on the
workstation.
I strongly object to dumbing down Debian for the sake of
market share.
Andreas> back to the topic : it's so easy to add an mta. everybody
Andreas> who want's an mta, will also select a program like mutt,
Andreas> elm, cron, at or so, that needs and mta. there will be no
Andreas> case, where someone is without an mta, when he needs one.
Andreas> but with a mta in standard priority, lots of people will get
Andreas> one, who don't need it. i don't think this is a good idea.
I would prefer an MTA to be installed by default. People can
then choose to ignorte it totally. Debian is not windows; I would
prefer it to be a workstation OS if that is what it takes to not dumb
it down.
manoj
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