Re: gothicx-guest removed
It kinda sounds like an NM process, to be honest. Not that I have
nothing specially against it, but if we decide to go for it, we should
just remove the low barrier idea from our goals, if we want to have
only people who are experienced and so. That, or starting a mentoring
program.
If we go for entering test, ACLs, provisional testing mode for new
members and so, they might find it so intimidating that it might not
be worth for them to join the team, just maintaining their game
packages on their own or in a smaller group of co-maintainers out of
the team.
My personal experience is that people react better to trust than to
authoritarian management and supervision, it makes them (me too) feel
like being constantly observed and judged by the big brother. For
every black sheep that stands out, many other trustable developers
join and learn. I think that in the whole the results are better than
making the team a police-controlled state.
Greetings,
Miry
2007/10/29, Eddy Petrișor <eddy.petrisor@gmail.com>:
> Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> > My personal position, after reading the pros and cons from many
> > people, goes along the lines that Vincent has mentioned. ACLs, entry
> > tests and so on might not provide anything useful but just scare some
> > people that we might want to have in the team. In any case I want to
>
> Well, with the risk of sounding harsh, people not motivated enough to go through
> some filtering process (at least prove some commitment to the team/project, or
> be aware that their commit right might be revoked at any given time because
> they're not doing a good job) shouldn't be part of the team.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am all for a low barrier entry, but I feel that people
> aproving/advocating the entry must be the ones responsible (or find such people)
> for the close eye on the new commer. Te seems to me we don't need yet another NM
> process, but we need experienced people to commit to watching and mentoring new
> commers.
>
> And since there are so few of us admins (myself, Miriam, Gonéri and Sam) I have
> just added Gerfried to the admins list.
>
> > decide a way to cope as a team with this kind of situation if it
> > happens again. Maybe just an easy to get in, easy to get out, watch
> > carefully the 1st commits and a kind of mentoring program might do.
>
> Well, I guess the people that allow the entry should also be responsible for the
> monitoring of the first commits, as I said before. If not, a "sponsor" should be
> found inside the team before adding.
>
> By "sponsor" I mean a person within the team that agrees to tutor and watch over
> the newcommer's sholder commits and changes and is ready to commit to doing that
> for a while until he/she feels the newcommer has accumulated enough knowledge to
> stop direct and constant watching.
>
> This doesn't mean that:
> - at a later time is not possible to restore permanent watch
> - there can't be comments/reviews from other than the soponsor
> - once in, you can't be ruled out
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