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Re: [Artwork] question for next release of Debian


Behind the fact to use free software or not, I propose another thing in
the first email, why not work as team and not as "opponent" around the
graphic part, or take idea from each proposal and not just take one and
disqualify the other. I don't know if my explanation is clear and
understandable. Someone understand what I mean ? Did someone think it
make sense to propose to work together and not as "opponent model".
(maybe it is already the case? I don't know) but it is my feeling as
new "participant".

let me know 



On Mon, 2021-02-08 at 09:52 +0100, Aurélien COUDERC wrote:
> Dear Jc, Franz,
> Le lundi 8 février 2021, 07:51:04 CET Franz Gratzer a écrit :
> > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 3:55 PM Jc wrote:
> > > For next release, it would be a good idea to add in the artwork
> > > requirements that we must use free software available in Debian
> > > repositories to do the job.
> The main issue with this is who you put behind « we ». Some of the
> excellent 
> designs proposals are made by people not using Debian or using their
> tool of 
> choice that is not in the Debian archive. They are still kind enough
> to work 
> for Debian and produce high quality work under a Free Software
> license.
> So I don’t think « we » currently exists on this topic and having a «
> we 
> must » hardly applies. « They must » seems like a more accurate
> description of 
> what the rule would be, and explained like this I really don’t like
> it. People 
> are free to use or not use Debian and Free Software as they like (and
> I’m 
> convinced they *should* use Debian and Free Software for plenty of
> reasons !).
> > I argued something along these lines last time (or was it the time
> > before that?) but this seemingly heretic idea was refused.
> That’s not what I remember of the discussion.
> Mostly that the people disagreeing with this idea didn’t see reasons
> to apply 
> specific rules to artwork that we don’t have for the rest of Debian.
> Debian Social Contract doesn’t impose any restrictions on the tools
> we use to 
> produce Debian, only that the resulting work is free software. The
> topic has 
> been discussed several times on debian-devel including for enforcing
> the use 
> of Free Software services (code hosting for instance) and there was
> no 
> consensus on the idea.
> How much I would like that people use Free Software, I still don’t
> like the 
> idea that we force people into using specific tools as long as they
> want to 
> work on Debian and the resulting work abides by the Debian Social
> Contract.
> I very much hope that providing high quality artwork and a high
> quality 
> desktop will encourage people to use Debian more, and that we don’t
> even need 
> to have this discussion in the future. But we don’t seem to be there
> just yet.
> So for me it’s still a no.
> Happy hacking !
> --
> Aurélien

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