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Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org> writes:
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> If you're looking for Policy Editors who enjoy running things through a
>> process that won't be successful just so that we can say they've been
>> run through a process, you're going to need someone other than me.  I
>> find that sort of thing to be tedious in the extreme and a giant waste
>> of everyone's time.  I have about four thousand things I could be
>> working on in Debian that would be more useful than going through that
>> exercise.

> That's only true if someone does actually get in the way.  There may
> actually be a clear path to consensus at this point, given that you
> already seem to have people from both D and U sides apparently agreeing
> in private.

There aren't any private discussions about the T and L options between TC
members that aware of, for whatever it's worth.  All the discussion is
here on the bug.  We got to a place where we're hammering out something
we're all happy with only in the context of a decision-making process and
two failed votes, and only by discussing options that one of the parties
to the discussion has explicitly rejected as unacceptable.

Look, I've been involved in Policy work for years now.  I think I have a
pretty good intuition for what sort of questions can be dealt with
usefully in that framework and which ones can't.  You're certainly
entitled to think that I'm wrong, but it's unlikely that I'm going to
change my mind on this particular question, since I don't think it's even

It's hard to avoid the feeling that you'd rather not have the TC discuss
this question since the TC is arriving at a conclusion that you don't
like.  That's understandable, but I don't think the results are going to
be any more to your liking regardless of the forum, whether it be the TC,
a GR, or Policy.  I certainly don't believe, after having waded through
most of the debian-devel threads on the topic, that the project was going
to suddenly realize that everyone had good points and arrive at an
amicable consensus.

Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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