Re: D-I - Official warning not to upload any packages containing udebs
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:12:12PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
> Hello Sven,
Hello Frans,
> Today you have uploaded a D-I package [1] even though you knew (or at
> least should have known) that we were in full freeze for Release
> Candidate 1 and uploads should not happen without approval from the D-I
> Release Manager [2]:
> | I have today started the migration of the final udebs for RC1 to
> | testing, so that basically means no more changes are possible. Please
> | do not upload any new udebs over the next few days.
This, as far as i understand, means that no more .udebs will move from
unstable to testing.
> You even discussed this with Christian on IRC and AFAICT (as the
> conversation was in French) he advised you _not_ to upload.
He advised me not to modify templates, because we were in string freeze.
This is fully different than
> The patch you did the upload for was earlier submitted as an afterthought
> in a bug report about an unrelated issue (though affecting the same
> package) and that bug report was already closed at the time you added the
> new patch.
No, i commented to you that we really need something like <patch attached>,
because my collegues released the 1.3 firmware without the chrp compliant
partition numbering, It went to the BTS, but was meant for you and the list.
You where quick to bash me for it, because of a minor typo, claiming that the
patch was bogus, "as always" or something such i think your words where.
> I reviewed the patch within a few hours and discovered an error in it,
> which I told you about [3]. I also requested you to submit the fixed
> patch in a new bug report, which you failed to do.
Indeed. I tried to do said patch today, well, since 2 days, but since alioth
was moving, and i had no access anymore. Roland told me that only ssh access
worked, and since my access was taken away i could not do the work.
I was told since then that i could access the svn repo with ssh even though i
had no commit access to the svn repo, which is something i didn't believe
possible, in big part because i discovered i was kicked out by trying to do
just that in late mai. I may remember badly, and be mistaken though.
Now, the main problem we are having now, is that i have not any right to do
even the most minor of mistakes, or say things not in the official dogma,
without you *IMMEDIATELY* comming bashing on me. Hell, everyone makes
mistakes, the bug i fixed last week even came because Colin modified my tested
patch and caused an RC bug by it, but i don't hear you screaming murder at him
like you do at me, and you have done now 5 times, in a totally unprovoked way
these last 2 months.
This clearly shows that despite every effort i make, this is totally lost on
you, and as Alphix said, this is a private feud between you and me, so please
take it in private, and stop to take the powerpc users hostage of your vendeta
against me.
Furthermore, none of this would have happened if my svn commit access was
restored, and you *NEVER* gave any valid reason for denying me this commit
access, and more so, there is *ABSOLUTELY NO* such reason for it today.
> The issue that you fixed was, in my opinion as release manager, not severe
> enough to warrant an exception to the freeze for RC1.
Yeah, sure, whatever. You lost all rights to have an advice on this when you
let your private feud take over your responsabilities as d-i RM, and came
bashing like you did.
> The previous issue that was the original subject of the BR (which was RC)
> was handled very promptly by myself.
So, explain to me why a very minor typo in a patch attached to a mail which
was, as yourself have said, not intented to be applied, is any reason for you
to get bashing me and go into ad-hominem attacks against my technical skill,
and saying all the patches i ever sent where broken ?
Once you can grow up, and stop this childish "i am stronger than you, so you
have to respect me" game, then we can move forward constructively. But
seriously, i have done nothing such in these past months from you.
> The fact that you are no longer part of the debian-boot team was a
> decision taken unanimously by the core developers in the D-I team and was
Ah, but then :
16:22 < Alphix> Perhaps the rest of the d-i team doesn't want to get
involved
16:23 < Alphix> A more plausible explanation would be that the feud has
nothing to do with the rest of us...so why get involved?
So, i would really much like that you don't hide behind a team, and name the
persons having taken this decision in person. And i also would like to know of
those others involved in that decision, what they thought about you menacing
eddyp to get the same handling as me because you disliked what he wrote.
Frans, face it, this has been, since months now, a private feud between you
and me, so please be honest and grown-up enough to aknoweldge it as such.
> taken for good reasons. If you had not resigned yourself, you would have
> been kicked out of the team shortly afterwards.
If you had not taken profit that i was in despair over my mothers terminal
cancer illness, to provoke me to write something in hast and pain which was
then interpreted by you as differently than what i intented.
I have still not digested that fact, and this in addition to your own words
which said that you deliberately provoked me all those months back, make you
one of the most despissable of DDs, probably even worse than Jonathan/Ted for
example.
I really pity you, if you are not able to realize what your behaviour of back
then means, and if you realize it, well, i want nothing to have to do with you
anymore.
But this private feud should not affect either the quality of debian, nor hurt
our users, and it is clear that you have forgotten your engagements to the
social contracts, when you promised you would put free software and our users
as top priorities, and yes this goes before private feuds.
So, be responsible, and re-enable my svn commit access, or maybe debian would
be better off without you.
> I have not seen any significant improvement in your behavior since then.
> Instead you have been complaining every step of the way how unfair we
> were being and demanding to get your commit access back.
Yeah, how nice, what do you expect of me ? I have commited patches through the
BTS, have always replied constructively on technical critics against me, have
tried to be nice to you, and for what ? There is not even a hint of what you
would consider enought for me to come back, and you have continued
continuously provoking and bashing on me, on things d-i and not d-i.
> One previous conflict that was certainly a contributing factor to this
> whole conflict was you ignoring the advise from both the D-I and the
> Debian RMs not to do an upload during the preparations for the Sarge
> release.
Can you please say clearly what it was ? You are probably speaking about the
2.4.27 joint powerpc kernels, right ? I used a full week time of full time
(and unpaid) work to get them going, so that after the release the security
team would not have to deal with 3 separate powerpc kernel packages, i did so
openly, and in full knoweldge of everyone, and informed everyone here about
it.
I did a single minor mistake (more a typo than a mistake if i remember well,
it was a single line fix), and then i got 3 folk (Colin, Steve and Joey), who
came screaming murder at me at 3-4 hours interval, without even consulting
between them, and suddenly a single small typo caused that "I singlehandledly
delayed the release by a whole week", while in fact a few other more severe
issues where discovered a bit later that week.
But then, you never embarass yourself with facts, do you ?
> This is a formal warning that I, as D-I release manager, do not want you
> to do any more uploads of packages containing udebs, as you have proven
> that you are incapable of respecting the advise of and requests from
> Release Managers.
Yeah, warn me, all right. Unless you adopt a more humble tone, and start
behaving in a respect-earning way, and stop bashing me on the most minor of
occasion, you have nothing to say to me. As far as i am concerned, you are not
the d-i Release Manager, you are nothing but a rapid guy with a private feud
against me, who is not even true to his own engagements of the social
contract.
> I, or other team members, will continue to look at any bug reports with
> patches that you submit and will commit them if there are no objections
> or else will inform you why the patch is rejected, possibly with a
> request for an improved patch [4].
Well, what if you re-activated my svn commit access, so i can again commit the
patches directly, and not lose time stupidly, and i ask your permission
(altough i would prefer to deal with anyone else than you for this, because,
clearly, unless you apologize for what you did in april, or at least stop
parading it like you did above, i don't want to be involved with anyone so
shameless as you) before uploading. This is the common standard all other d-i
team members have been being held up to, and i see no reason why i should have
any less rights than them to work on d-i.
Furthermore, the sad truth is that you have been unable to find someone to do
the powerpc d-i porting job since over 6 months now, and that you hurt the
powerpc users by this childish behaviour.
> Please keep any personal comments and complaints out of your bug reports.
Oh, nice, i should take example on you maybe ? Mmm, wait, didn't you yourself
not many times put personal comments and complaints into the bug reports. Ah,
i am wrong naturally, you didn't put personal complaints or comments, but
ad-hominem bashing, maybe this is acceptable ?
> I consider your upload today a serious abuse of your upload rights and
> will request the Debian Account Managers to revoke that right if you do
> another upload of a package containing udebs.
Yeah, go ahead, and abuse your position of power even more.
> Note that this extends beyond the current freeze period for RC1.
Right. Maybe you should find some way of desinflate your clearly swollen head,
and learn a bit more humility, this would assuredly do you good.
> In the mean time, you are banned from #debian-boot as I am tired of your
> abuse on that channel.
Yeah, right. You are the migthy frans, and everyone which is not humble and
respectful enough should tremble before your power.
Damn it frans, if you want respect, then start acting in a respect-earning
way.
> Frans Pop
> Release Manager for Debian Installer
I deny you this title, you have amply shown, here and this past months, that
you are nothing but a blood-thirsty vendeta carying guy, which illegitimately
uses the power at his disposal for personal purppose even if it hurts debian
and our users.
Sven Luther - A guy just wanting to be able to work on the powerpc port of d-i.
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