Quoting Richard Owlett (2014-11-26 14:44:44) > Paul Wise wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >>> My statement was more to effect that Gnome3 is an unacceptable user >>> experience. As I don't have good connectivity I'll have to wait >>> until Jessie becomes stable and I can purchase a complete DVD set to >>> try MATE. I may go with LXDE but haven't determined if I can tweak >>> it to do things "my way". >> >> You can try jessie now, no need to wait a few months. Also no need to >> purchase a full DVD set, the first DVD contains MATE. You can also >> just apt-get install mate-desktop-environment over the Internet. > > <snicker> > Would you *REALLY* care to download DVD(s) over a 56k dialup > connection? ??? ;/ > Things I want are scattered over ALL DVDs of a set. > Just take as cast in reinforced concrete - NO downloading. Minimal download undisputably is no download at all (i.e. sneakernet or getting hold of data on some offline media like a DVD set). Depending on your criteria, the better option, however, is to download only the parts you need - by using our netinstall method: https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ So the better you clarify your criteria, the better we can help you. :-) >>> I find utilities to be such am personal choice that an installer >>> should NOT install a default selection. >> >> Hmm, ok. I mostly saw Debian Pure Blends as ways to get the same >> common setup as a group of people interested in a specific thing, >> rather than a way to get a Debian system that is deeply personal and >> different to everyone else. Jonas? > > The gotcha is in defining "common setup as a group of people". > I find myself responsible for a few dozen machines with at least > 3 quite diverse users. > 1. My 3 personal machines > A. General browsing and email, generic typical personal > computing > B. Computationally intensive 'scientific' applications > 1. preprocessing microphone signals for speech recognition > 2. predicting arrival of storms by analyzing GPS signals > C. Support of other users > 2. Supporting a friend who is typical of Microsoft and > Canonical market. > BUT he is annoyed by Microsoft's 'improvements' breaking > things. > 3. My local church has multiple outreach programs > A. Enrichment for local elementary school children > B. Occupational training of neighborhood at-risk adults To me the above sounds like not one but 3-5 different blends. Whether or not those blends are pure blends depends on how important it is for your use cases to have things "Just Working" as opposed to officially supported by Debian. As an example, if your friend must have Skype (a product existing only with non-Debian parts) then that blend cannot be pure. Whether or those blends are ultra unique to you or general enough to be suitable to include in Debian similarly depends on flexibility of requirements. As an example, if you really must have the Debian swirl eradicated and replaced with your name or the name of your church, then obviously that renders it unsuitable for anyone but yourself. That last example above has a real-world counterpart: the DebianParl blend that I created in the Spring is currently deployed in a pilot project at the European Parliament, where a political coalition - Greens/EFA - and a community group - EPFSUG - both would like their branding appear on the installed systems. So far I have turned those requests down, by the logic that DebianParl is universal: Even if currently deployed only in EU it should appeal equally well to e.g. the Brazilian and Indian governments. >>> I didn't find it claiming to meet some definition of "minimal". >> >> The supposed speed is a side effect of it using a minimal window >> manager (fluxbox) instead of GNOME. >> > > In a loosely related thread in another list, I've been pointed to a > script for creating one person's "minimal" install using debootstrap. > He had much different goals, but it's organized such that for each > goal I can substitute my goal. More careful examination may also > identify my error(s) in my first attempt. Interesting. Please share URLs to such related activities. Yes, there are many many interpretations of "minimal" - more minimal is obviously to not use Xorg at all, only a console. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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