Re: Design: next steps
My view:
Don't take the meeting personally, the problem was miscommunication,
not any one person in particular. The problem is not the logo, but
that people feel they did not have a chance to give input on it. The
suggestions (in the 'as we prepare to grow the team' email) are all
geared towards improving communication. So, my suggestions to Tammy:
1. Please put the logo and web-as-pdf on Dropbox, if you haven't already
2. Whatever you think of doing, let the team know. If you want to,
keep going on the website or whatever, but keep the team informed, get
their input. We are not your clients, we are your teammates.
I'm meeting with Tammy at 12:00 to chat a bit more.
best regards
Bernelle
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Bernelle Verster <bernellev@gmail.com> wrote:
> My view:
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:45 AM, martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> wrote:
>> also sprach Tammy Manning <mungojoed@gmail.com> [2015-08-20 11:14 +0200]:
>>> I would love to help, and was "all guns ahoy" but there was
>>> a dispute at our team meeting of everyone wanting to be involved
>>> and all submit ideas (the brochure being included in this), as
>>> time is limited it was thought to be dedicated to this and make
>>> something visually appealing and content driven, however from our
>>> previous meeting I don't really know how to go forward without
>>> stepping on toes.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I was not there, but I heard about the dispute.
>>
>> Our task now — and many times to come in the next months — is to
>> produce a result by a specific time, and which works for everyone.
>> IMHO, the only way to do this is to leave Tammi & Bernelle in charge
>> and to trust them to do their best to incorporate the wishes and
>> concerns of the rest of the team.
>>
>> The result won't reflect everyone's preferences, but it would never,
>> no matter which process we use to arrive at a logo/design. But
>> a logo that everyone at least accepts is better than no logo. (I
>> wanted a different logo for DC15…)
>>
>> I understand that the process around design/logo has been a bit
>> intransparent, as Bernelle & Tammi just got on it and did stuff.
>>
>> On the one hand, we need to make sure to honour this and welcome
>> initiatives and action like this, because this is life-support to
>> DebConf orga.
>>
>> On the other hand, we need to ensure that the communication is
>> adequate. In particular, it'd probably been better if at some point
>> we explicitly discussed the logo/design process up front (explicitly
>> delegating to the two), and whenever a delegate works towards or
>> takes a decision, they should ensure to keep the team in the loop.
>>
>> But people won't keep each other in the loop if we have to be afraid
>> of having our decisions and work challenged, despite a delegation
>> and best efforts at communicating. So it's really chicken-egg and
>> one way to break this cycle now is to forward trust to Tammy
>> & Bernelle to complete the logo/design process, knowing that they'll
>> do their best to take all our considerations into account.
>>
>> And when a decision is made, then it's everyone's responsibility to
>> stand behind the decision and not reopen the books. It's a tough
>> learning, but if we don't manage to do this in our team, we'll be
>> facing more of the issues the rest of dc-orga is already facing.
>> I.e., decision-making under time pressure in a volunteer team is
>> *hard* to get right.
>>
>> Well, my 2¢ anyway…
>>
>> --
>> .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@d.o> @martinkrafft
>> : :' : proud Debian developer
>> `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck
>> `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems
>>
>> "driving with a destination
>> is like having sex to have children"
>> -- backwater wayne miller
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