Re: [Debconf-team] Debconf thoughts
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:22:24PM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> * Ana Guerrero <ana@debian.org> [2012-12-03 11:43]:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:16AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote:
>
> I haven't heard that this is the case, what I read on the list is that
> there are buildings specifically for handicaped people on the one hand
> and I haven't read anything about a veto for family members. Could you
> please point me to the message concerning.
Family members is different of teh case of handicaped people. Somebody
bringing their partner along might want to sleep with their partner
who might not feel comfortable in a room with 4 people more. Same with
a kid (or 2 kids) that can be noisy.
> > We also have contributors who are tall, and le Camp beds do not seem suited
> > for tall people (more than 190cm), some people might camp, but some others
> > prefer a bed. A lot of people can get by 1-2 days, but a full week can be
> > a (back) pain. Some of those people might prefer going to a hotel.
>
> Can you backup your claim that beds are too small? This issue hasn't
> been raised so far iirc.
Pictures. I havent' raised all the issues I have found. Just the most
problematic ones.
>
> > And probably many other reasons such a surgery recover, sleepwalking
> > or snoring to the point you know that for other people sharing a room with
> > you isn't healthy for them.
>
> So basically the same issues that applied to Oslo, Porto Alegre,
> Helsinki, Mexico, Edinburgh?
>
Those people could go to a hotel. In Mexico, there was some kind of hotel in
the same venue.
> > In le Camp, the possibilities of affordable hotel are *far* away and you need
> > a car, le Camp is served by public transportation but it is very limiting.
> > (Somebody added in the wiki the distances by bike, but I don't know
> > anyone who travels packing a bike in their suitcase...).
>
> [OT: so you haven't been to Banja Luca where several attendees had their
> folding bikes with them?]
Nobody of them told me and I didn't see those bikes.
> > These people will also lose a big part of the DebConf experience
> > beause they will spend a big part of the conference far away or
> > commuting.
>
> In Oslo and Helsinki there were quite some distances between venues,
> tough these were walking distances. However this is an issue that can
> propably be adressed, after all rental cars, car sharing,... are not
> completely new concepts.
Not really. You lose the time, you can not stay until late hacking,
you need to pay the rental car or depend on others.
>In Porto Alegre we rented busses for dinner as
> the venue was quite outside the center.
And you transported *all* attendees together.
>
> > So we are effectively discriminating some people in coming. If you are
> > not affected in any of those case or similars, good for you, some
> > other people are.
>
> I don't see any dicrimination, I see issues that need to be solved.
>
Those issues can not be solved in le camp unless they remade all the buildings
closer to the town.
> > It will never be perfect but we should aim to make DebConf more inclusive,
> > specially learning from the mistakes we have made in earlier years.
> > The localteam did some research in venues a lot of months ago, we all made
> > a mistake with that venue, we have found that is a mistake very early. So
> > let's try solving it?
>
> It seems to me with your last sentance that because you don't agree with
> the venue, "we all made a mistake". Please refrain from speaking for the
> project or debconf, last time I checked you were neither DPL nor
> delegate and from all the messages posted I still have the impression
> I am not the only one that does not agree with you.
>
What I am saying is I'm also part of the problem and I made a mistake also a
few months ago. You might say my mistake was maybe trusting too much what
the localteam was saying back them.
Ana
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