Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka
Ian,
> Once again you have provided reassurance rather than information.
>
> This is, as I say, very UN-reassuring. Did you even read what I wrote ?
No I haven't, last email I read was Josips which was 18 hours ago. I'd
like to apologize for this as I tend not to give out any information
or answers before previously really "devouring" what I'm about to say.
It's just that I was very tired (still am but got ~30min nap) as after
UDS I came here to Zagreb for another event and was just excited about
sharing news regarding their help offer. Once again I apologize for my
negligent act.
It is that after I read your last email that I got onto a conclusion
what we need to do, but before anything let me say couple of things.
> Where are the local team for Banja Luka in this conversation ?
Very good question, and this goes together with Holgers statement that
local team is very unorganized. I have to agree with him on it,
there's "tons" of volunteers and people who offered their help and
all, but once it comes to actually helping out with topics they just
don't do anything. Why, I have no idea it fascinates me as it might
fascinate you as well.
In beginning there was basically only me who was doing all the work,
later on more good people joined and started helping out I won't be
naming anybody as their work is evidently seen on lists and so on.
That's why I think Moray's and Holger's visit is more then important
and will only help us in future process before few of us doing work
break under our own weight.
I was/am planning to send an email to local mailing list, telling them
about Moray's and Holger's arrival as I'm pretty sure most of them are
not even aware they are even coming. Now I'm not just trolling my own
team, what I'm doing here is criticize it, as I don't want to close my
eyes in front of problems that really do exist and all of this will
lead to us eventually solving it.
I have a theory why the situation is like it is, and it pulls some
financial factors along the way so I'd rather explain it to Moray and
Holger between our own 6 eyes. And after the talks we have with them
situation is going to improve.
Furthermore, instead of giving you any reassurance I'd like to say
that I agree with you. I remember my trip to DC9 and to be honest it
was pain, after airplane landed it was going through Madrid metro with
basically no body speaking English, and when I was thinking that last
train has left and when I was thinking of staying in some hotel in
Madrid for a night that I *literally* was running after last train and
hopping on to it. No ticket no nothing due to language barriers.
Taking that train to Caceres is whole another story which doesn't
matter for this topic, but it was all due to that there wasn't enough
logistical data. Enough said.
If I only had information it would've been all fine, but if I had this
kind of "reassurance" we're offering I'd be more then happy.
Now, I'd like to just point out that getting to Banja Luka is any way
as it was getting to Caceres; but this is where my sentence will end
as I'll apparently start doing my "reassurance" speech again.
Lets do this, instead of having local buses/so on as our "backup"
option besides our own organized buses/shuttles lets use HULK and
hopefully help of local team in Bosnia to get all possible information
one would need to get to Banja Luka on his own. Only thing that I can
guarantee you is that this information will be online by the end of
month; why we haven't done this before, well we thought there wasn't
need for one such thing as you're able to find it all pretty much
online on websites we have already shown and we're in middle of Europe
and not in middle of some other continent or whatever.
Since we have buses/shuttles we just thought it would be easier to
assign X number of shuttles to go to Y places at Z time/s. When would
we say where each shuttle/bus will be where would be all said in its
time, that is once its time to release one such information, it can't
turn to morning if night didn't come before that. Dependencies, and we
still haven't even finished registrations.
Now, is that enough INFORMATION for you?
Adnan
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Ian Jackson
<ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Adnan Hodzic writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka"):
>> So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have
>> everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you
>> arrive you won't be left by yourself.
> ...
>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Ian Jackson
>> <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> > This is precisely the kind of response that I was complaining about.
>> > What people need is INFORMATION, not reassurance.
>
> Once again you have provided reassurance rather than information.
>
> This is, as I say, very UN-reassuring. Did you even read what I wrote ?
>
> Ian.
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