On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 12:00:59AM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: >Geoffrey <esoteric@3times25.net> wrote: > >> > I am not against Linux, I am however against stupidity and evilness. >> >> But your comments regarding Linux kernel developers would appear to >> indicate that you are against Linux. Personal opinion, nothing more. > >This is not true! > >I am not against Linux, however I don't like the way the Linux kernel developers >personally attack people who tell them where they make mistakes. > >Let me make an example: if you take Linus Torvalds statements on Linux kernel >include files for serious, then it is _forbidden_ to test kernel interfaces. > >Also it is a matter of facts that the Linux kernel people constantly insert new >snares against CD/DVD recording. Joerg, just because interfaces change from time to time in the Linux kernel, they are _not_ changing them deliberately just to spite you. Really. >Once the Linux kernel folks start cooperating You don't seem to have finished your sentence here. <snip> >> in what one perceives to be a bug are a different issue. For example, I >> can see why Debian folks would add contact information to cdrecord if >> they have made modifications to it. I can also see why Debian would >> remove references to cdrecord-Prodvd, although I don't necessarily agree >> with those objections. Neither is truly a bug, but a preference. > >Again: > >- Linux kernel folks modify interfaces without notifying the users > even though there are less than 5 Authors who write software that > uses the related interfaces. Joerg, please - I believe you're wrong here. If it's your opinion that less than 5 authors use the Linux sg interface (the one I'm assuming you're describing here), then in my experience you're simply wrong. I've _personally_ been involved in several different projects that use the sg interface, none of which you would know about. I would expect there to be many more out there... >- Most Debian patches _cause_ problems instead of fixing them. Again, I disagree. There are bugs in our BTS to back me up. Please can you point to some patches that _actually_ cause problems? >- Debian people do not cooperate by not talking to the Authors of the > software. In general, or just cdrtools? Generally, we have useful, productive relationships with upstream developers. In many cases, Debian patches are gratefully accepted and integrated into new upstream releases. In some cases, some of the patches we apply are clearly not useful to upstream developers (e.g. changing install locations, etc. to integrate more closely with the rest of the system). Sometimes we even end up taking over upstream packages if the original developer has given up. To return to previous discussion, but hopefully more calmly this time: Joerg, you may think that you're simply speaking plainly and directly in some of your mails. I know that German is already commonly a much more direct language than English; maybe your choice of words is affected by that. I _hope_ that your intent is not to insult the people who are trying to work with you, but the tone of your emails often makes it seem that way. Sometimes people who are making changes to cdrtools simply don't agree with some of the design decisions you've made. That doesn't necessarily make them stupid or wrong. Some _might_ be (there are lots of idiots in the world, after all! :-) ), but not all. Some more flexibility and consideration of other people's suggestions might help you get on much better with people... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.
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