Re: How do I put X on hold?
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 09:37:30PM +0100, John Gay wrote:
> On Fri 24 May 2002 11:34, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 12:54:22AM +0100, John Gay wrote:
> > > On Sat 18 May 2002 22:23, Michel D?nzer wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 23:07, John Gay wrote:
> > > > > I've got a GVX1 video card, which is only supported by xfree86>4.2.0
>
> I was not aware that the GVX1 card was supported in 4.1.0? According to the
> XFree86 site, support was only available in 4.2.0, so I went with that.
Well, the web pages were somewhat outdated. the glint man page should
have told you the correct thign though.
> > The ideal way of doing this is to install stuff into /usr/local/X11R6,
> > and modify the /etc/X11 file which calls the X server.
> >
> > You would need to add some configuration options to one or two of the
> > xc/config/cf files to do this (mostly the ProjectRoot).
> >
> If I understood the IDEAL way of doing things, I would not be in the mess I'm
> currently in ;-) therefore . . .
That's why i am telling you :)))
> > > I got the results I wanted, I.E. working X for my GVX1 card. Not an ideal
> > > situation. With the lack of proper 3D support, it looks like I'll still
> > > need to resort to using Accelerated-X for 3D acceleration. That option
> > > leaves me in a similar situation. I need to put the Debian X packages,
> > > and related libs on hold to maintain proper X support.
> >
> > Sorry, i had no time fro finishing the 3D accell stuff, altough i did
> > look at it still yesterday, it could be easily done, since the support
> > for the GMX2000 is already there (altough the gamma drm kernel driver is
> > still 4.0 and not the newer one).
> >
> If there was 3D acceleration, I could save myself $129.00 :-) Currently, the
> GVX1 card is in my production (Read Home) machine and I don't like to mess
> with it too much. I'e allready been bitten many times by self-inflicted
> down-time. However, I've also got a PCI GVX1 card I was planning to put into
> my Daughters machine. I've got a spare machine for playing with. I was
> planning to experiment with it anyway before putting the card into my
> Daughters machine to reduce the chances of screwing hers up.
Normally there should be no much chance of screwing things up, the most
you can do, is hang your machine, but a reboot should be enough to come
back from that, but sync your filesystems before :)))
Access to docs would be a must if you trully want to play with it.
> > > Would I be better off purging the Debian X packages? And if so, how do I
> > > solve the conflict of not having X installed, but having KDE and X
> > > applications? I suppose with enough reading, I could probably build
> > > custom .deb's from the XFree86 sources, but how about the Accelerated-X
> > > stuff? Is it possible to make .deb's from proprietory binaries? I did ask
> > > the XIG people if they would consider supporting .deb's, but it's lower
> > > on their list than .rpm's.
> >
> > I wouldn't recomend purging the Debian X packages, just ionstall the
> > Accelerated-X somewhere else (not over the debian packages), and have
> > the /etc/X11 file that let you choose the X server point ot it, it
> > should work ok.
> >
> The reason I asked about purging the Debian stuff is XIG says NOT to mix
> their OpenGL stuff with any other OpenGL/MESA stuff. I was also worried about
They are not using DRI, if i understand well, i guess just using the XIG
openGL libs should leave you in safe land, so you could remove only the
xfree86-mesa libs, and keep the rest, i think there is no risk in using
the standard xlib from the debian package (after all, X is claiming the
longest backward compatibility and thing like that, so if Xig is X
compatible, the debian xlib package should be ok). Especially, since if
you remove lot of stuff, lot of debian packages depending on X will
_not_ be happy.
> possible mixed libs problems similar to the fiasco with KDE recently. I don't
> understand these things, so I try to error on the safe side.
What you really need, is just the X server, and apparently the openGL
libs from XiG. Both X server should cohabit without major problems, just
change the /etc/X11/X symlink to point to the right one. The mesa libs
should be able to cohabit also, altough in doubt, i would remove them.
>
> > BTW, is the Accelerated X server available for evaluation or something
> > such, or is it needed to pay for it ?
> >
> Yes, you can get an evaluation. That is what I've been using. It runs for 25
> minutes at a time. It comes with a kernel module and the server proper, but
> they are only in .rpm format. I was able to get alien to install them and
> they do work, but I have to stop gdm, then run the accelerated-X server
> manually. It certainly makes a big difference in OpenGL performance!
:)))
> > > With my recent redundancy, I could probably afford the time to figure it
> > > out and do it, but I'd need some pointers on where to start? Especially
> > > since at hte moment I"ve only got the .rpm's to work with. Alien was good
> > > enough to get started, but I'd feel better with proper .deb's once I buy
> > > the licence and commit the Accelerated-X.
> > >
> > > I realise most of the info I need is probably allready on my system
> > > somewhere, I just need to figure out what I need to know about X, and how
> > > Debian installs it.
> > >
> > > Any pointers to FM's that I can RT would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure
> > > there are other Debian users that need the 3D acceleration provided only
> > > by XIG. I would prefer GPL, but 3D acceleration seems unatainable for my
> > > card, and other Workstation cards so XIG, for me is a necissary evil.
> >
> > Well, no, it is only a little work, most of it is already there, i guess
> > you could even do it yourself if you had access to the docs, but i have
> > to finish my phd thesis by september, and thus no time to play with this
> > kind of thing. Maybe after that.
> >
> And if I had the slightest idea how to program ;-) I still think the best
Ah, yes, this is a big problem, but then other have started learning C
for exact those reasons :))))
> idea, for the moment is to try to get .deb support for the xig servers. At
> least this will broaden the support for Debian. XIG also provides servers for
> the latest-N-greatest 3D cards. Something that XFree86 can not hope to do as
> long as the manufacturers continue to hide their drivers and only release the
> details under NDA's to XIG.
Sure, ...
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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