Re: Debian participation into GNOME Outreach Program for Women
On 01/04/13 at 09:14 +0200, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote:
> El dg 31 de 03 de 2013 a les 18:20 -0600, en/na Moray Allan va
> escriure:
> > On 2013-03-31 10:41, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > > Regarding Debian finances, I did verify that we can afford this
> > > before
> > > proposing it. It is my responsibility as DPL to ultimately approve
> > > using
> > > those money for OPW and, as mentioned already, it is my judgement
> > > that
> > > it would be totally worth to do so; this year as an experiment with
> > > budget for 1 intern, in the future maybe more (but that would be up
> > > to
> > > the next DPL to decide). I've no magic ball but I do feel that
> > > general
> > > project feeling on this is that it is an acceptable usage of money
> >
> > I'm slightly surprised you think the project feels that way --
> > consensus in the recent debian-vote discussions seemed to be rather
> > against using Debian money to pay interns.
> >
> > e.g. from Lucas
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2013/03/msg00084.html
> >
> > > On using Debian's money:
> > > My line, which is quite consensual I think, is that Debian money can
> > > be
> > > used to support Debian development (hardware infrastructure, travel
> > > reimbursement, ...) but not to pay contributors.
> > >
> > > If we were to run our own internship program, I would be hard to
> > > convince to use Debian money for stipends. A separate fundraising
> > > campaign specifically for stipends would be better IMHO.
> > > And I would probably disagree quite strongly if the program allowed
> > > DDs
> > > to receive stipends.
> >
> > or from myself
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2013/03/msg00040.html
>
> These comments make me think that maybe we're going too quickly and we
> need more consensus on this. I don't know if participating in the
> program has sense if it has no continuity in the future.
>
> A solution could be that an external organization sponsors the stipend.
> But, I'm afraid we're not in time for this round. On the other hand, we
> could wait until the next round to have a more wide consensus (and more
> mentors, more volunteers and to be able to offer more projects).
>
> I'm quite stuck right now, I don't like to do things without consensus.
> Could I have more opinions from this list before I go ahead (or not)?
Hi,
My opinion (as a DPL candidate):
- OPW is a very nice initiative.
- It would be great if we could find a sustainable way to participate on
a regular basis. that probably means not using Debian money.
The application deadline is May 1st according to
https://live.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen
Maybe we could we seek sponsors until then?
And if we can't find any sponsor, I would be OK if Debian participated
in this round of OPW using Debian budget (provided we can afford it,
which seems to be the case according to zack). That participation would
serve as an experiment of the whole process, and it would not mean that
we would participate in the next edition if we still can't find
sponsors.
I think that we should also have a requirement that applicants should
not be already substantially involved in Debian (e.g. not DD or DM).
Lucas
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