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Re: "Debian women may leave due to 'sexist' post"

I'm not impressed. I know enough women that understood the difference between men and women, and happily let their husbands to fix things, install new devices into houshold and so on, instead of attempting to do it themselve. They all got there by their own experience, not by outside pressure. Generally, men are more into technology, although there are always exceptions in both sides. And You'd be surprised, I also change nappies if necessarry.

That said, I won't oppose women to choose a job they like, however if this goes into extremes, such as woman WILLINGLY fighting for the right for digging into mine, then the only answer to such insanity is to expect equal work results from her. There is no sanctuary in positive discrimination, because that usually means negative discrimination of others.

I would like the society to be more polite to the pregnant and nursing women especially, however, won't take the cheap feminist self-excuses either. The workplace and social legislative is screwed at all (at least here where I live), not only for women.


Miriam Ruiz  wrote / napísal(a):
2008/12/29 Peter Tuhársky <tuharsky@misbb.sk>:

For me, the answer is quite simple. The computing is almost technical
industry, and therefore it is naturally more suitable for men, who are
naturally strog in technical thinking and achieving the task milestones.
Just like there are much more women in people-contact positions, because
women are naturally better equipped for social contact, empathy,
caregiving... Althought I think it is time now, that much of technical
issues are being solved or solved already, and there is need to make the
computing experienca "more human".

I'm Copying and Pasting an answer (translated into English) to that
mysterious questions that someone published in Barrapunto [1] some
time ago, in a satirical way, but very accurate in my oppinion:

How funny, when I read this I thought that maybe women are better
suited for humanities than for science and computation. Nevertheless
it seems that there are less women interested in literature, have a
look at the members of Real Academia de la Lengua [2], for example. I
can hardly see any woman. Then I thought that maybe women are not
interested in studying, but in fact we have a higher level than men in
studies, there are more women at university, studying languages,
etc.... What a mystery!

Maybe it's that we have mor affinity for business, but it seems that
there are less business women than men, or dedicated to business
administration, and that the great majority of senior executives and
CEOs are men.

I've also seen at INE (Spanish Statistics Institute) that it usually
takes more time for women to find a job (unless it is related to
cleaning houses or taking care of children and elders, or the company
is receiving some subsidy for hiring them). The conclusions are clear:
women are not interested in anything, and that's why they put no
effort in working or finding a job.

Maybe you're right, and women are interested in investing their time
in something else for fun, but in what? WTF are women in this country
interested in?

It is without a doubt a mysterious question, but after thinking deeply
about it and looking for more information, I now know what's

Women like to invest their time in having children and being at home
taking care of them. That is definitely certain and provable because
statistics show it clearly (you only have to look at them carefully):
100% of children are given birth by women, and 0% from men. 95% of the
unemployed due to taking care of their homes are women, and the free
time that working women have (including those working as software
developers) is invested in that too. That would also explain why there
are so few women developing Free Software. They prefer to be taking
care of house chores, changing nappies and feeding babies in their
free time!

Well, it must also be added that we live in a country full of
misogynists, there are still old-minded people that with their last
century minds do whatever they can to avoid women to be integrated in
certain working environments, gender discrimination (as much as some
people want to deny it and don't want to see it) is everywhere all
around us.

Well, I'm sorry to open your eyes to this hard reality, but with the
great mistery solved I'm pretty sure everyone can rest more relaxed.

Original message in Spanish:

Qué raro, al leer esto pensé que igual las mujeres tenemos mejores
dotes para las letras que para las ciencias y la programación. Sin
embargo parece que también hay menor frecuencia de mujeres interesadas
en el tema de la literatura, vease los miembros de la Real Academia de
la Lengua: [2] Yo casi no veo mujeres.
Entonces pensé que a las mujeres no les gusta estudiar, sin embargo
tienen un nivel de estudios superior al de los hombres, hay mas
mujeres en la universidad, en las escuelas de idiomas... que misterio.

Quizás sea que deben de tener más afinidad por los negocios, pero
resulta que también hay menos mujeres empresarias que hombres, o que
se dediquen a la dirección de empresas, y la gran mayoría de los altos
ejecutivos son hombres.

También he visto en el INE que las mujeres tardan mucho más en
encontrar trabajo (a menos que el trabajo sea de limpiar casas o
cuidar niños y mayores, o la empresa en cuestión reciba alguna clase
de subvencion por contratarlas, en estos casos las mujeres encuentran
trabajo mucho antes que los hombres).
La conclusión es clara: las mujeres no están interesadas en ningún
tema y por eso no ponen empeño ni en trabajar ni en buscar trabajo.

Probalemente tengas razón y a las mujeres les interese dedicar el
tiempo a otra cosa por gusto, pero a qué?? ¿¿Qué diantres les gusta a
las mujeres en este país??...

Sin duda esta es una misteriosa cuestión, pero tras informarme y
meditarlo... Ya se lo que pasa!

A las mujeres les gusta dedicar su tiempo a tener hijos y cuidarlos en
su casa. Esto es seguro y demostrable ya que las estadísticas lo
revelan claramente (solo hay que fijarse): el 100% de los niños nacen
de mujeres, y el 0% de hombres. El 95% de los inocupados por labores
de hogar son mujeres, y el tiempo libre que tienen las mujeres
ocupadas (incluyendo a las que trabajan como programadoras) se va en
más de lo mismo. Esto explicaría también porqué tan poquitas mujeres
programen software libre. Prefieren hacer sus labores, cambiar pañales
y dar papillas en su tiempo libre!!!

Bueno, también faltaría añadir que vivimos en un país con un gran
número de misóginos, todavía quedan retrógrados que con su mentalidad
de hace un siglo hacen todo lo posible para evitar la incorporación de
la mujer en ciertos ambientes laborales, la discriminación de género
(por mucho que lo neguemos y no queramos verlo) aparece y se ejerce
activamente cada día a nuestro alrededor...

En fin, que lamento abriros los ojos a esta cruda realidad, pero ya
con el gran misterio desvelado, seguro que todos podréis descansar más
Un saludo!

[1] http://barrapunto.com/comments.pl?sid=78917&cid=1097978
[2] http://www.rae.es/rae/gestores/gespub000001.nsf/voTodosporId/A9C3B614985EADD8C1257136007078F7?OpenDocument


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