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Re: The prevailing Debian culture

On Friday 20 August 2004 4:15 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 11:04:42AM -0700, Carla Schroder wrote:
> > There is no such thing as a rational dialog with 
> > people of this ilk, because their goal is not to engage in any kind of 
> > constructive communication. It's all about disruption, pointless arguing, 
> > attention-getting at any cost.
> You're going to have a *really* hard time finding people in Debian who
> fit that description.

LOL! You haven't been reading this list, have you. 

> > Don't you think it's unfair to the people who are helpful, and 
> > useful, and who really contribute to the project, to force them to put up 
> > with that lot?
> Anybody who has any trouble dealing with the sort of thing you
> describe, is *far* too unstable to be allowed anywhere near package
> maintainance, or anything else involving users.

Oh that's good, trash all kinds of people you know nothing about. Not being 
willing to tolerate heaps of abuse and trollishness means you're unstable?  
That is pure BS.

> > And I think it damages Debian, because you lose good people 
> > who can find plenty of projects that are not infested with trolls and 
> > other destructive idiots.
> I find this comment monumentally amusing for its naivete. Anything
> with so few people that none of them are idiots is too small to
> deserve the label "project".

Baloney. There are many groups and communities that are not blessed with 
people like JW and MJR. 

> > I have yet to meet anyone who is so wonderful and gifted and indispensible 
> > that they can be excused from showing common courtesy.
> I have yet to meet two people who shared a definition of "common
> courtesy". That's where your argument falls down really. You can sit
> around all day and agree that it would be better if people were
> "nicer" or "more polite", but you will *never* reach agreement about
> what that means, and you'll probably find your notions are
> fundamentally incompatible with those of at least some other people.

Legalistic nitpicking. Where there are differences, reasonable people of 
goodwill try to find common ground. Why are you defending poor behavior? 

> > It is pretty bad- I'm 
> > involved in a lot of online communities, and Debian is definitely the 
> > of the lot.
> Eris' beard, where have you *been*?

What does that mean? That because my experiences are different from yours, 
mine are not valid? 

I don't even know why you are here, except to snipe. Do you have anything 
positive to contribute? Since you apparently don't like anything about D-W, 
why are you here? Any dolt can be against anything, that takes zero ability 
or intelligence. It's a lot harder to be constructive.

Carla Schroder
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