Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2022-09-12 at 21:03 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> My experience is the same as you describe, with the free installer: >> if you pick the right hardware, Debian works directly today. > > By "right hardware", I assume you mean hardware that comes with already > preinstalled non-free software? Yes, or (preferrably) hardware that does not come with non-free software at all. > Does choosing only hardware with preinstalled non-free software > (instead of partially OS-supplied non-free firmware) make the non-free > software more free? I don't believe so, no. >> What it seems this vote is about is to go back to the time where a >> non-free work is required before you can get to the decent free >> environment. > > Try removing all non-free firmware then. Your system won't boot, not > display anything and you won't be able to input anything either. I think you (and Simon McVittie in his email) assume that I have as much of a problem with non-free works that comes with my system as I do with non-free works that comes from Debian. I don't. Lenovo never promised that my laptop would not contain any non-free software, and their commercial compromise to be able to sell a laptop is understandable. I prefer if that wasn't the case, and buy machines built in a different way (say Purism Libre or Talos II), but I chose to use my laptop anyway given its limitations. My reason for using Debian is that I can rely on getting a 100% free system, and then add non-free works on top of it when I chose to do so. For example, I install the firmware-iwlwifi package on my laptop because I haven't been bothered to replace the wifi module with an Atheros wifi module yet, even though I bought it five years ago. This flexibility suits me well, and it does not seem to be in conflict with the flexibility you appear to desire: using a non-free installer to install these things automatically for you. My flexibility will no longer be permitted by Proposal A and E. /Simon
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