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Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware



Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-26 10:02:16)
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:06:01AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > [...] it lacks a detail I find crucial:
> > Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free bits
> > are official part of Debian or not.  Personally I find it obvious that
> > anything that would not be allowed into main also would not be treated
> > as official part of Debian,
> 
> I share the same concern as you: Steve's proposal would mean that installers
> containing non-free firmware become official part of Debian. My text does not.
> 
> > If Bart chose to extend the proposal to include that such media
> > containing non-free bits (although permitted "alongside with the free
> > media) would *not* be considered official part of Debian, then I would
> > endorse the amended proposal.
> 
> That would be repeating what's already true. My text includes only things that
> I propose to change. So what is off/unofficially today, remains that. It's like
> "the name of the project remains Debian". Why would I mention that.
> 
> Does this cover your concern?

It clarifies that my reading matches your intended reading. Thanks!
Unfortunately it does not cover my concern that the text is ambiguous -
i.e. despite intent your choice of words can lead voters to vote for
this text but with varying expectations, which is a very bad situation.

I still urge you to make explicit what will not change.  Perhaps borrow
from Simons text, if you (like me) like that?


 - Jonas

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