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Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware



Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2022-08-24 19:14:26)
> Quoting Bart Martens (2022-08-24 10:12:48)
> > =================================
> > 
> > The Debian project is permitted to make distribution media (installer images
> > and live images) containing packages from the non-free section of the Debian
> > archive available for download alongside with the free media in a way that the
> > user is informed before downloading which media are the free ones.
> > 
> > =================================
> 
> Seconded.  Thanks for proposing this alternative, Bart.

I hereby withdraw my second for the above proposal.

Reason is that I now realize that it lacks a detail I find crucial:
Explicitly spelling out whether or not images containing non-free bits
are official part of Debian or not.  Personally I find it obvious that
anything that would not be allowed into main also would not be treated
as official part of Debian, but I have learned that others in the team
find it equally natural to apply a different reasoning, and I find the
distinction crucial.

Sorry for my earlier sloppy endorsement.

If Bart chose to extend the proposal to include that such media
containing non-free bits (although permitted "alongside with the free
media) would *not* be considered official part of Debian, then I would
endorse the amended proposal.

Oh, and since some has discussed abolishing the word "official", I am
quite open to using a different word instead, that covers the same as I
have meant all along in this thread: (not products released by others
than the Debian organisation as happened decades ago, but) products
released by the Debian organisation itself *and* considered part of our
main product "Debian", i.e. in the spirit of our "main" archive section.

I feel my abilities to express myself sharply is weak.  That's the
reason I don't put together a proposal on my own.  I appreciate *all*
proposals put forward - I recognize quite some work has been put into
all of them - thanks to all contributors!


 - Jonas

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