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Re: Call for seconds: Revised ballot

On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:31:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:37:52PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > > Nevertheless I would merge it in my proposal if you still want me to.
>> >         If we must have a GR, I would feel better with these options on
>> >  the ballot.
>> Okay then.  Here's the new ballot including your proposed options.
> Point of order:  under the Standard Resolution Procedure of the
> constitution, it's the responsibility of the *secretary* to assemble options
> onto a ballot.  Individual developers must propose and get seconds for
> individual *resolutions*.
> You need to propose each of these resolutions separately, not ask for
> seconds on a ready-made set of options.

        This is an interesting point. It all depends on the definition
 of what a resolution is, and whether a resolution can have multiple
 options, or not. I consider a resolution to be a formal expression of
 the opinion or will of an official body or a public assembly, adopted
 by vote. See "§A.1 Proposal" and "§A.1 Discussion and Amendment".

        On thinking about it, I would tend to think that a resolution
 means that it contains a firm solution for the issue under
 consideration, and multiple choices do not represent a firm
 solution. [1913 Webster] 

        While I am tentatively ruling this so, I am still open to
 feedback, and I would appreciate hearing from anyone who thinks my
 determination on this issue is at fault, in which case we shall discuss
 this further.

        In practice, doing each alternative solution separately allows
 us to discard solutions that would not have been seconded if they had
 not been part of an omnibus proposal.

        In practice, this can be done two ways:
 a) in parallel, where each individual option is proposed separately,
    and combined into a single ballot by the secretary since it is about
    the same issue (this has been contentious in the past). § A.2.3,
    §7.1.1, §7.1.3, and §A.3.4
 b) Propose one alternative, get it sponsored by the requisite number of
    seconds, and then add each option serially, as long as the original
    seconds continue to agree. §A.1.1, §A.1.2, §A.1.3, and §A.1.4


| A. Standard Resolution Procedure
| These rules apply to communal decision-making by committees and
| plebiscites, where stated above.
| A.1. Proposal
| The formal procedure begins when a draft resolution is proposed and
| sponsored, as required. 
| A.1. Discussion and Amendment
|    1. Following the proposal, the resolution may be
|       discussed. Amendments may be made formal by being proposed and
|       sponsored according to the requirements for a new resolution, or
|       directly by the proposer of the original resolution. 
|    2. A formal amendment may be accepted by the resolution's proposer,
|       in which case the formal resolution draft is immediately changed
|       to match. 
|    3. If a formal amendment is not accepted, or one of the sponsors of
|       the resolution does not agree with the acceptance by the proposer
|       of a formal amendment, the amendment remains as an amendment and
|       will be voted on. 
|    4. If an amendment accepted by the original proposer is not to the
|       liking of others, they may propose another amendment to reverse
|       the earlier change (again, they must meet the requirements for
|       proposer and sponsor(s).) 
|    5. The proposer of a resolution may suggest changes to the wordings
|       of amendments; these take effect if the proposer of the amendment
|       agrees and none of the sponsors object. In this case the changed
|       amendments will be voted on instead of the originals. 
|    6. The proposer of a resolution may make changes to correct minor
|       errors (for example, typographical errors or inconsistencies) or
|       changes which do not alter the meaning, providing noone objects
|       within 24 hours. In this case the minimum discussion period is not
|       restarted. 
| A.2. Calling for a vote
|   1. The proposer or a sponsor of a motion or an amendment may call
|      for a vote, providing that the minimum discussion period (if any) has
|      elapsed. 
|   2. The proposer or any sponsor of a resolution may call for a vote on
|      that resolution and all related amendments. 
|   3. The person who calls for a vote states what they believe the
|      wordings of the resolution and any relevant amendments are, and
|      consequently what form the ballot should take. However, the final
|      decision on the form of ballot(s) is the Secretary's - see 7.1(1),
|      7.1(3) and A.3(4). 
|   4. The minimum discussion period is counted from the time the last
|      formal amendment was accepted, or since the whole resolution was
|      proposed if no amendments have been proposed and accepted. 

All great discoveries are made by mistake. Young
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