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Re: Question for all candidates: handle debian-admin more openly

On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:54:54PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 07:31:49AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > Bill Allombert wrote:
> > > > Example of non-priviledged services include secondary web services and
> > > > developers accessible port machines with separate accounts.  As an
> > > > aside, I think there should be more developers-accessible port machines.
> > > 
> > > Why?
> > > 
> > > For which ports?
> > 
> > The three quad-power5 machines that IBM donated to debian for powerpc64 work,
> > and nobody knew about, and are now sitting in augsbourg  (1 used by the
> > augsbourg university, and two maintained by Bastian Blank, who distribute
> > accounts on it).
> Are bruckner and voltaire overloaded or do they lack services the developers
> need?

The release team has called for a multi-arch implementation to support
powerpc64 userland over the biarch situation. This calls for a machine capable
of building *and running* powerpc 64 code, which is not the case of existing
powerpc 32bit machines.

> Another question would be if the Debian project should accept every
> arbitrary donation and increase their machine pool even when there
> is no use the machine?

We plan to support powerpc64 userland for etch, as thus this is necessary.
Furthermore these machines could be used for other use than just development,
but then, i guess it is preferable to get a donation from intel than get a
donation from ibm ?

> > It was my believe that at least one of them should be maintained under the
> > umbrella of the DSA team, in order to have it thrusted to be used to upload
> > packages, but the DSA team refused to have anything to do with them, which i
> > suppose is understandable since they have no time for it. I proposed to handle
> > it for them though, or have Bastian do so, and was equally refused.
> I've once told you that currently (one year ago or so) there is no
> use for them, since a) voltaire works fine as buildd and bruckner
> works fine as developer machine.

sure, but we need a powerpc64 autobuilder for etch.

> > This is no blame, or something, i can clearly understand your
> > frustration and that i may not have asked at the right time or something, just
> > the machines are mostly underused, which is a shame, they are fast, have good
> > memory, disks and bandwidth, and even the licences for the virtual partitions
> > allowing to create sub machines for different usages.
> Well, they haven't been negotiated with leader, hardware-donations, ports
> or debian-admin prior to the donation.  What do you expect?  When I donate

Sure, i didn't want to go into this, but this was because of some real
communication fuck-up during martin's term. I remember martin going to IBM
asking for donation of 64bit powerpc hardware, and myself also contacted them back
much later, and being told "but we donated already so many machines to debian" :)

> you a pencil while you're perfectly fine with your old pencil and the new
> one doesn't provide anything better, you won't use it either.

Sure, but this is not the case here.


Sven Luther

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