Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 09:30:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:03:31 -0400, Joey Hess <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > > Maybe a better GR would be one removing the ftpmasters from their
> > > position then. This would at least avoid trying to use a GR to make a
> > > technical decision, and it seems to be the position you're really
> > > seconding anyway. If that's the intent, why not be open about it?
> > I hope nobody considers this seriously unless there are viable
> > candidates to replace the current ftpmasters. I can tell from
> > experience: that job is not for the faint of heart.
> Actually, I think it's one possible outcome of the current proposal, if
> it becomes a GR and is passed. After all, when you start dictating to
> volenteers what jobs to do and how, you risk losing those volenteers.
Well, sure, but the same risk happens if you threat volunteers like
dirt, which often happen in these kind of cases. Writing mails about
important questions to the project to the ftp-masters, and them not even
bothering to reply about this, well, how would you feel like that.
I know that some of the DD have a special relationship to the
ftp-masters, especially those who pass their whole day on irc, but
creating second class DD who have not such relationship is not good for
I personally trust the ftp-masters, and believe they are working for the
best of the project, but it is hard when one has questions only they can
answer or act to solve, to wait apparently forever in the dark. And in
some cases, it is even harmfull for the project, as it delays other work
that relies on it. As a proof of that, consider the special treatment
the .udebs get with regard to the NEW queue processing.