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Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract



On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:23 -0500, Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org> said: 

> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:56:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
>> > Anthony's example splits a potential "change social contract"
>> > supermajority into two, and yours splits it into three.
>> >
>> > This pretty much ensures the defeat of any option that requires a
>> > 3:1 majority, and makes it extremely difficult even to satisfy a
>> > propostion that requires only a simple majority.
>>
>> This doesn't make sense.

> Of course it does.  Consider:

	I don't think you understand the voting system.


> [   ] Choice 1: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract(, Keep Debian Swirl Red)
> [   ] Choice 2: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract, Make Debian Swirl Green
> [   ] Choice 3: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract, Make Debian Swirl Blue
> [   ] Choice 4: Further Discussion
> 
> 250 ballots ranking 1234
> 250 ballots ranking 2314
> 250 ballots ranking 3124
> 250 ballots ranking 2221

> Choices 1, 2, and 3 require a 3:1 majority to pass, of course.

> What happens?  Our voting system does not give us the ability to
> reach the common-sense conclusion that 3 out of every 4 voters
> wanted to remove clause 5 from the Social Contract.  Instead,

	Which, in a 3:1 majority, is barely enough.

> "further discussion" wins.

	Wrong.  I think that this is where the disconnect is; this
 example represents a profound misunderstanding of our voting system.

> Is that because the proposition to
> remove clause 5 from the Social Contract failed to persuade 3 out of
> 4 developers that it was a good idea?  That doesn't follow from
> interpretation of the results.

	I think you under estimate the voting system here. Let us see
 what actually happens:

                  Option
              1     2     3     4 
            ===   ===   ===   === 
Option 1          500   250   750 
Option 2    250         500   750 
Option 3    500   250         750 
Option 4    250   250   250       


Option 1 Reached quorum: 750 > 45
Option 2 Reached quorum: 750 > 45
Option 3 Reached quorum: 750 > 45


Option 1 passes Majority.               3.000 (750/250) > 3
Option 2 passes Majority.               3.000 (750/250) > 3
Option 3 passes Majority.               3.000 (750/250) > 3


  Option 1 defeats Option 2 by 250
  Option 3 defeats Option 1 by 250
  Option 1 defeats Option 4 by 500
  Option 2 defeats Option 3 by 250
  Option 2 defeats Option 4 by 500
  Option 3 defeats Option 4 by 500


The Schwartz Set contains:
	 Option 1 "Option 1"
	 Option 2 "Option 2"
	 Option 3 "Option 3"


Weakest Defeat(s): 
	Option 1 beats Option 2 by 250 votes
	Option 2 beats Option 3 by 250 votes
	Option 3 beats Option 1 by 250 votes
Deleting weakest defeat(s)

The Schwartz Set contains:
	 Option 1 "Option 1"
	 Option 2 "Option 2"
	 Option 3 "Option 3"



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The winners are:
	 Option 1 "Option 1"
	 Option 2 "Option 2"
	 Option 3 "Option 3"

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	There. Happy now?  Our voting system can indeed cope with this
 scenario.

	manoj
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