On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 07:15:13PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:41:15 -0500, Branden Robinson <branden@debian.org> said: > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:31:58PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:16:54 -0500, Branden Robinson > >> <branden@debian.org> said: > >> > >> > No, you're wrong. The mechanism for achieving large-scale > >> > archive changes isn't presently formally defined at all. > >> > Informally, it appears to be the exclusive domain of the Debian > >> > Archive Administrators (who, the last time I checked, were not > >> > official delegates of the Debian Project Leader[1]). > >> > >> So, the proscription in the SC is the only thing that stands > >> between an admins whim to remove non-free? > > > I think it's the only formal or structural impediment, yes. But > > In which case this needs to be pointed out; since this is likely to > be the last chance that the mere mortal developers have of having > any say in the process of elimination of non free. The archive admins still need to answer to the project. If they weren't barred from removing non-free right away (which may or may not be case with the proposed GR, I don't claim to know) and went ahead anyway they would either need to be ignorant of the immensely controversial nature of removing non-free or simply not care. In either (IMHO) unlikely case, their decision could be overruled by the developers. I think it's a little far-fetched to claim that they would move ahead with something so clearly controversial, public, and central in Debian's history without a mandate. > If this proposal passes, wouldn't it be a mandate to also remove > non-free, and the admins shall be acting in accordance with the > wishes of the developers? Branden's justification makes it *explicitly* clear that this is not the case. I don't see how anyone could see that as a mandate as its worded and justified in a way that explicitly claims that this is not the case. Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill mako@debian.org http://mako.yukidoke.org/
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