Re: [PROPOSED] Michael Bramer must stop spamming or be expelled
On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I'm not asking whether debian-admin thinks Michael should be punished,
> I'm asking debian-admin to rule on whether or not it views his recent
> activities as "bulk emailing".
(keep in mind this and the last message are not a formal statement from
debian-admin)
Then I misunderstood what you asked for. When you quoted the DMUP I
assumed you were asking us to decided if he should be suspended or not,
based on 'bulk mailing'. That is really the only use of that document. [1]
Otherwise, I don't think it is our place to classify what Michael is
doing as bulk email or not.
> What part of it was a "mistake"? His policies have been deliberate
> every step of the way.
His mistake was in assuming people would not mind. Now that it has been
pointed out that people do he should change his plans. If he does not,
then he would be engaging in deliberate net-abuse.
If I hear reports of that, then I will have a discussion with him, and
likely require that he cease sending all mails until the techincal issues
are worked out. In this case, if he refuses he will face suspension.
> I'd also like your opinion on the definition of "abusive bulk emailing"
> (for the purposes of the DMUP) that I posted.
It seems reasonable to me, you'd want to define what bulk emailing
actually means.. Personally I'd describe what he is doing as unsolicited
automatic email. Debian has many sources for UAE and I think it's
reasonable to say they should be kept in moderation.
Jason
[1] I had the DMUP written after an incident that resulted in the
expulsion of a developer. I hoped it would remind new and existing
developers that our machines are not their personal playground.
At it's inception, and even now, I feel it's only use is for suspension
and expulsion.
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