Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> writes: > On 2021-08-19 11:12 a.m., Steve McIntyre wrote: >> weaver@riseup.net wrote: >>> On 16-08-2021 11:29, lou wrote: >>>> Andrew, i thought you r moderator because you post monthly list guideline >>>> >>>> and you speak kindly with some authority when some list user deviate >>> >>> By reputation, the list is unmoderated, and that's the way it used to >>> be. >>> It still bears the token title of an unmoderated list but, in reality, a >>> small collective of the politically correct have placed it under their >>> auspices to moderate it. They have all the rationale, they believe, to >>> do so, but this is quite in contradiction with the principles of open >>> source, so it's an interesting phenomenon to observe. >> >> For the avoidance of doubt... >> >> The debian-user list may be listed as "not moderated", but that just >> means that posting is open by default. This mailing list, like all >> Debian-hosted mailing lists, is subject to both the Debian mailing >> list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of Conduct: >> >> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct >> https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct >> >> As Andrew points out in his excellent and helpful regular posting: >> >> Inappropriate behaviour on the list may lead to warnings; repeated bad >> behaviour may lead to temporary or permanent bans for offenders. >> >> If you're trying to label that as "politically correct" then I think >> you may need to change your expectations. The "principles of open >> source" do not include a free pass to be abusive to others. > I don't know what you are trying to pass as message here. But I never > said that open source is a pass to being abusive toward others. > I've always pushed toward kindness and understanding as much possible. > What I said was that as this list is "unmoderated" this means that it is > open for posting to everyone. So yes this cause a possibility of higher > than other list for message going off-topic. > What I advocate and will continue to do so is going against the type of > self appointed policing who take a pleasure of pointing others crossing > of their interpretation of what they consider being the rules. > There's a excellent judgement from the European High Court called the > "TaxQuest ruling" that state the most important part of the decision is > the motivation behind it. > So when you simply tell a new comer "You do this wrong" and don't > explain why then this is just not helpful and far from being what a > welcoming community would do. > If there's a rule of law that state "No one shall ignore the law" and > still people seems to ignore some interpretation of the rules edict for > our society, this also applies to this mailing list where not all the > users read the FAQ, code of conduct and all that is related. And even if > they did read all of this before subscribing, they'll forgot part of it > and feel bloated. > So if you are expecting to pass a message of the type that I'm trying to > justify messages that you consider off-topic and making them politically > correct. No this is not the case, even if I can do nothing for your own > belief. > Because in all conversation, there will always be moment where the > simple social act of exchanging information will make us leave the main > context and go aside. This is also what make us human being, with > emotions and a need to socialize. Probably the ones who have a social > life other than behind a keyboard will understand, for others then just > hold to the belief. As Steve did not send this mail to you, I would not take it personally. And even though it were, Steve's message is pretty explicit, so I guess the message he is trying to pass here is quite clear. Regards, -- PEB
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