Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:06:45AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:42:41AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0200
> > > Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is, if you and other list subscribers care about continued i386
> > > > support you should probably look into contributing.
> > >
> > > And how does one do that?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Does anybody read signatures any more?
> > >
> > > https://charlescurley.com
> > > https://charlescurley.com/blog/
> >
> > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware that you can press into service that
> > isn't being used: pick up a Debian i386 disk and try reinstalling Debian.
> >
> > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware - get a copy of a Debian live CD and
> > boot it - you may face probelms if there isn't a lot of memory.
>
> Well, as it happens I just did that! But I didn't have any problems...
>
> Details:
> I recently was given an old IBM ThinkPad T60 1953 with an Intel Core Duo (Yonah) 32-bit processor. Vintage c 2006. Output of "cat /proc/cpuinfo" is attached.
>
> First I tried booting the Debian 10.7.0 (Buster) amd64 Live DVD. It said I didn't have the right kind of processor, and I should try the i386 version. So I did. It booted fine and ran a couple of simple commands without incident. Then I rebooted and ran the installer from the same DVD. Again, no problem installing a system without GUI. I then ran tasksel and used it to install the Cinnamon desktop, which is working great.
>
> I'll file an installation report soon. After that, I guess I'll try installing Bullseye and file a report on it.
>
> Does anybody know if there's an i386 Live DVD for Bullseye?
>
Well, that's a good start :) The test suite we used to test for stable release CDs is here:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r7?highlight=%28testing%29%7C%28cd%29%7C%2810.7%29
- as you can see, we try and exercise as many paths through the standard Debian installer as we can. Just knowing that there are people out
there who could help us test some more installs on real hardware helps. You can always do these on KVM / virtual machines of some sort on AMD64
hardware but it doesn't exercise real hardware. The text-speech installs for visually impaired folk are always tested on real hardware but more
tests are always welcome - as would be any comment on anything that's unreasonable on low memory.
Debian live CDs are not put out by the image creation team but by the debian-live team: I suspect they'll be there before Bullseye main release.
For testing live CDs - download one or more and try them?
Hope this helps,
Andy C
> Thanks for all your work!
> Rick
> processor : 0
> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
> cpu family : 6
> model : 14
> model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz
> stepping : 8
> microcode : 0x39
> cpu MHz : 997.463
> cache size : 2048 KB
> physical id : 0
> siblings : 2
> core id : 0
> cpu cores : 2
> apicid : 0
> initial apicid : 0
> fdiv_bug : no
> f00f_bug : no
> coma_bug : no
> fpu : yes
> fpu_exception : yes
> cpuid level : 10
> wp : yes
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon bts cpuid aperfmperf pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr pdcm dtherm
> bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit
> bogomips : 3657.32
> clflush size : 64
> cache_alignment : 64
> address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
> power management:
>
> processor : 1
> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
> cpu family : 6
> model : 14
> model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz
> stepping : 8
> microcode : 0x39
> cpu MHz : 997.453
> cache size : 2048 KB
> physical id : 0
> siblings : 2
> core id : 1
> cpu cores : 2
> apicid : 1
> initial apicid : 1
> fdiv_bug : no
> f00f_bug : no
> coma_bug : no
> fpu : yes
> fpu_exception : yes
> cpuid level : 10
> wp : yes
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx constant_tsc arch_perfmon bts cpuid aperfmperf pni monitor vmx est tm2 xtpr pdcm dtherm
> bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2 l1tf mds swapgs itlb_multihit
> bogomips : 3657.32
> clflush size : 64
> cache_alignment : 64
> address sizes : 32 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
> power management:
>
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