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Re: Buster without systemd? [with backtrack]



I can't help you (don't use WiFi / Network Manager / etc. very often), but I 
applaud you for putting the effort into trying to clarify the discussion!

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On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:02:17 PM David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 25 Mar 2020 at 20:18:29 (+0000), Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > For what it's worth, Network Manager doesn't need a GUI either. Tools
> > such as nmcli and nmtui allow you to configure and control network
> > connections from the command line.
> 
> There seems to be some confusion in this subthread. Going back a little:
> 
>     On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 12:14:57 (+0200), Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>     > systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurations.
> 
>     On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 14:49:03 (+0100), deloptes wrote:
>     > well - for static IP you don't need systemd, but it is a relief for
>     > the dynamic stuff - i.e. wireless and cabled networks that change. I
>     > find it amazing how it works .... not that I say I am starting to
>     > love systemd :) […]
> 
>     On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 10:44:54 (-0500), David Wright wrote:
>     > I looked at what documentation I could find, but carried on using
>     > 
>     > wicd-curses, and the arch wiki seems to agree with what I found:
>     >    "systemd-networkd does not have a proper interactive management
>     >    
>     >     interface neither via command-line nor graphical".
>     > 
>     > The interface is what matters when you're travelling with a laptop.
> 
> So this is a conversation about systemd-networkd, not NetworkManager,
> in a thread that's about systemd, not Gnome or any other desktop/DE.
> 
> I think the next message in the subthread led to others' confusion,
> so I'm going to add two annotations to the quote (which should clarify
> what I understand it to mean), and then repeat the reply I gave before:
> 
> On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 20:34:24 (+0100), deloptes wrote:
> > David Wright wrote:
> > > I looked at what documentation I could find, but carried on using
> > > wicd-curses, and the arch wiki seems to agree with what I found:
> > > 
> > > "systemd-networkd does not have a proper interactive management
> > > interface neither via command-line nor graphical".
> > > 
> > > The interface is what matters when you're travelling with a laptop.
> > 
> > But the purpose of systemd is not to give you an interface. This is
> > provided
> 
>                      ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ Here, I presume the word intended is
> "systemd-networkd". ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
> 
> > by each desktop. Systemd will give you the low level service management -
> > AFAIK it works via dbus.
> 
>                        Here, I presume that the "network manager" that
> systemd ↓        is talking to (via dbus) is systemd-networkd,
> 		       ↓        and *not* NetworkManager (aka network-manager).
> 		       ↓
>                        ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
> 
> > systemd <-> dbus <-> network-manager
> > 
> >     network-manager-interface
> > 
> > This is my understanding how it works or should work.
> 
> I don't want a desktop. In fact, wicd doesn't even need X, as it can
> run quite happily on a VC to configure a new AP.
> 
> When I return to somewhere I have been before, wicd (the daemon)
> usually connects before I have typed my passphrase to unlock /home.
> (That assumes I'm logging in.)
> 
> Cheers,
> David.


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