On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 03:09:24PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 10 Jul 2019 at 10:25:29 (+0200), tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 08:18:31AM -0000, Curt wrote: [...] > > > There are legions of snobs here, though, who, at the > > > drop of just about any hat, will suggest you switch to mutt, purge > > > Network Manager, eradicate Gnome, clear out the avahi-daemon, compose in > > > emacs, and open all windows in FVWM (and the list goes on). > > Why "snobs"? Until I inherited this laptop, I never had the hardware > to be able to run a DE like Gnome, so mutt/emacs/fvwm were sensible > choices. Having used them now for over 20 years, I see little point > in changing. I'm not bothered whether anyone switches to them, though > I guess just saying here that you use them carries that implication > for some people. > > I think *this* laptop could run a DE and VMs and so on. But there has > to be some incentive to add complexity. Put them in the queue, behind > learning IPv6 and other things that people say I ought to know about. :-) Here's a slightly different "snob" biography: wrt GUIs (in the Unix world) I started out with twm (yes, /that/ old). Was inrigued at the time by olwm and (especially!) gwm [1]. But my hardware at the time (386, 4MB RAM -- no typo!) didn't make those enjoyable. Later fvwm, fvwm2, Gnome (I was an ardent fan of Gnome and Gtk, still have some C/Gtk programs running at customer's sites, one in production since 2002 which still receives updates). Since around Gnome2/3 transitions I desperately started to look for alternatives. First it was XFCE, then a couple of tiling WMs (awesome was one of them), now I'm back to fvwm. Happy as a clam. Now I know I'm conflating WMs and DEs (I know the difference, g figure). I know I can't throw fvwm onto most of my customers. I'm an old guy, you know? But there's one thing I can't stand, and that's authoritarian software. And as those DEs evolve, they all tend to develop that trait. It gives me goosebumps. My desk has a couple of dents because of that. Cheers [1] https://tronche.com/gui/x/gwm/html-manual/index.html -- tomás
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