Re: Debian, FF & NavyFed

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Richard Zimmerman <rzimmerman@riverbendhose.com> wrote:

I apologize about the rant but we need to put the blame where it belongs. Today's web programmers that don't crap about programming and their employers who don't do due diligence in TESTING, Quality Control and reliability of the product (Website) they create.
This is coming from a programmer who programmed on a lot of different platforms over the years (1979-present)
All I'm saying is 'in the day' computers costed money and you learned how to get the most out of them and do it reliably.

And today they fundamentally cost nothing in comparative terms, so software is "throw-away". Hence your rant (your term, not mine ;-)

To me OOP (Object oriented programming) meant chain loading basic programs or patching in and deleting out basic lines of code on the fly for the options the user selected.

Your instincts are correct, but the actual cause is economic, there are no aesthetic considerations here. As your examples show

(nothing personal... ;-), the OOP "advances" took place in a crippled context, hence their ineffectiveness.

Last note, WHY do we have to keep reinventing the wheel (i.e. the next big great language). There are a lot of GOOD languages out there already. Companies, programmers and end users waste too much time chasing the next big thing and the latest and greatest.

I think that stage is effectively over. The End of Programming Language Invention. Except for certain purposes in which a currently-known

programming language is required (eg. kernel, heavy-duty UI), not many of those issues matter today. There is today only One Human

Interface and One Hardware Interface: WWW; Intel. This condition will never be repaired, only wholly replaced by means of total obsolescence. Like a phaeton being replaced by a Model T. Something entirely new.

Today's language: Excel 2010 for me. As a programmer I haven't been 'gettin it (spreadsheets)' for years until I decided to look at it as a language. Now, picking up on it fairly easily. :)

Just because Forth is no longer a going concern, doesn't imply you have to debase yourself. Move to a truly

"higher-level language", say Erlang or something like that. Stay out of the gutter. It's your soul, dude.....

:-)

Regards and have a blessed day,

Richard