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Re: Can debian-live-9.0.1-i386-lxde be made to install from USB?



That's not exactly what I'm seeing.  I began seeding the Debian 9.0 installer image on 6/17 and the Live image on 6/20, when the 9.0.1 released.

debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso  171.36 GB
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso 157.90 GB
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso  107.85 GB
debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso  3.50 GB

The net install doesn't really count since the Debian site has a direct link to download it, and people are unlikely to bother with such a small download over Bittorrent.

Note:  Dejan, sorry for the direct email. Meant to email the list.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jason Wittlin-Cohen <jwittlincohen@gmail.com> wrote:
That's not exactly what I'm seeing.  I began seeding the Debian 9.0 installer image on 6/17 and the Live image on 6/20, when the 9.0.1 released.

debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso  171.36 GB
debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso  157.90 GB
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso  107.85 GB
debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso  3.50 GB

The net install doesn't really count since the Debian site has a direct link to download it, and people are unlikely to bother with such a small download over Bittorrent.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Dejan Jocic <jodejka@gmail.com> wrote:
On 18-07-17, Jason Wittlin-Cohen wrote:
> Many people have had issues installing with the Live installer on this
> mailing list.  The question is why Debian even offers the option if there
> is no interest in testing it to make it work.  The initial live installer
> images (9.0, before 9.0.1) were completely broken and could not even begin
> the install[1].  Clearly, this resulted from a complete lack of testing as
> it would have been easily caught given that it is a deterministic error
> that to applied to ALL the live ISOs.  I think it's unfair to blame users
> for using the Live media as an installer.  Either test the live images to
> make sure it can be used for installation on a wide variety of hardware, or
> don't provide the option at all.  It appears that the debian-devel mailing
> list HAS called for more testing due to this situation with the explicit
> threat that live images will cease to be produced if nobody wants to test
> them [2].  With that said, users should always use the regular d-i
> installer images to do an actual install.  The live images are useful for
> testing to see if your hardware is supported and also for recovery.
>
> Takeaway:  If you want to install Debian, either use the network installer
> (small installation image) or use one of the DVD images (large installation
> images), NOT the live disks.  You can download either here:
> https://www.debian.org/distrib/.  Only use the Live ISOs to test out Debian
> and to ensure hardware support.  If you have a need for non-free firmware
> to complete the install (e.g. non-free network firmware for wifi devices),
> use the images here
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.0.0+nonfree/amd64/bt-dvd/
> .
>
> [1]https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/9.0.1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
> [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00335.html
>

Trouble is that live images are, judging by my torrents, most popular
media of choice. Just debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-gnome.iso was uploaded for
23 GB, while debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso is on 14.68 GB and
debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso is on 463 MB. So, something in big red
letters should be there on Debian site as a warning for people not to
download live for install. At least till we get 9.0.2 live iso.







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