Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages
On 2016-12-07 23:45:24 +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 December 2016 14:55:40 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2016-10-13 00:09:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Friday 07 October 2016 15:43:17 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > On 2016-10-04 22:51:34 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday 04 October 2016 08:25:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > > > my position remains the same:
> > > > > > aptitude is poorly designed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fine. So don't use it. But moaning won't help anyone, not even you.
> > > > > You don't like Aptitude. We get the message. So don't use Aptitude.
> > > >
> > > > And what do you propose instead?
> > >
> > > I don't use Sid, so haven't tested out which package managers are good
> > > for it when there are problems, but how about looking at apt or apt-get?
> > > Ben says that he has great success with apt-get. Apt-get is much less
> > > aggressive than aptitude - but less fully featured.
> > >
> > > If I use aptitude with a large number of upgrades, I try to break it up.
> > > At the very least I do
> > > # aptitude update
> > > #aptitude -s safe-upgrade
> > > # aptitude safe-upgrade
> > > # aptitude -s full-upgrade
> > > # aptitude full-upgrade
> >
> > Sorry for the late reply, but all these may remove important packages,
> > i.e. they have the same issues.
>
> Don't let them - that is the point of the -s.
The -s is actually not necessary since if a package is to be removed,
the user may still refuse. Safe, but still annoying as this requires
a manual handling.
> safe-upgrade is specifically not supposed to remove anything at all,
> important or otherwise.
Perhaps this is better now, but a few months ago:
ypig:~> aptitude safe-upgrade -s
The following packages will be REMOVED:
gmp-ecm{u}
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
Well, the bug is now claimed to be fixed:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=819636
But since, I've still had problems with the UI. One problem is that
safe-upgrade is apparently missing from the UI.
> And have you looked into apt and apt-get?
They have there own issues, but mainly limitations: no UI to
exclude individual packages from an upgrade (e.g. because of
a serious bug), no support for frozen packages (a feature from
aptitude).
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