On Thursday 28 July 2016 20:18:38 Brian wrote: > And if they did it could just as well be wicd (NM) as NM (wicd). Indeed. I take as much care not to have NM on the computer with wicd as vice versa. In that saga you helped with so signally, you may have noticed that I tried both several times - but by installing and uninstalling. I just don't trust either to stay turned off - or not to interfere. Lisi