Re: [OT]: May Day
On 02.05.2016 19:05, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Haines Brown wrote:
Incidentally, I'm not suggesting that FOSS is crypto-socialist.
Piyavkin wrote:
No, but it is new growing relations of production.
It's in no way crypto, but quite near to the vision of Karl Marx in the
19th century. He expected it to happen for classic economy after
socialism succeeded and evolved into true communism.
Google found me a nice summary in german language:
http://stattkapitalismus.blogsport.de/2008/11/12/665jeder-nach-seinen-faehigkeiten-jedem-nach-seinen-beduerfnissen/
which is obviously by a person not aware of free software.
It quotes Marx' book "Das Kapital", 1867:
"Stellen wir uns endlich, zur Abwechslung, einen Verein freier Menschen
vor, ..."
which i translate as:
"Let us imagine finally, just for a change, a club of free humans, who
work with commonly used means of production and self-confidently spend
their many individual powers of work as a united work effort for society.
[...] The result of the club's work is a product of society.
In part it serves in turn as means of production. Another part is
consumed by the members as subsistence."
He did not imagine highly valuable objects which can be copied at
nearly no cost and can be used by affordable means. He only predicts that
the relation between production and consumption will change but then goes
on to describe a non-communist structure of work merits and right to
consume.
In our world, even Linus Torvalds gets more from GNU/Linux than he gave.
Marx also did not imagine that a (from his view) ideal society would emerge
on top of capitalism rather than replacing it.
Have you said «Karl Marx»?!.. Oh, no!.. Lisi will get you! )
If be serious, such changes are going on not only in software industry.
And I don't think it'll be finished even in the near future which may be
surprising in the end. That is a long and incremental process. But it is
a huge subject to discuss in an OT thread in a mail list. Such subjects
should be debated in form of articles in academic manner, I believe [but
try to rise the subject in an economics community, and their political
police will get you too].
Though it may be interesting for you to look also at the Schumpeter's
theory of development. He's usually considered as an opponent to Marx,
but their theories in fact pretty complimentary.
In real life i do not get my food for free. Housing is expensive.
Even the preconditions for linuxing cost monthly money.
But during my life there were only a few months of what i'd call work.
I earn my keep by selling myself doing my favorite sports.
Nevertheless i am aware that i am swimming as grease drop on a watery soup
of hardship and boredom.
Why don't you consider prof sport activity as a labour? Especially if
you earn by that. What's the sports, by the way?
As to hardship and boredom: first is an objective condition, second is a
subjective attitude and, in my view, should be avoided as deadly sin
whatever situation you happened to be in. Life is too damn short to be
bored.
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
Best wishes to you too!
Best regards,
Dmitry Piyavkin
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