Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:33:40AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2015-08-31 at 03:47, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Slinging mud at people never helps: Lennart Poettering isn't out
> > there "to get us" -- he's writing free software. He deserves to be
> > treated respectfully just for that.
>
> While I understand what you're getting at here, and I believe I agree
> with the underlying point, I do not agree with this actual statement.
>
> Some people develop and distribute malware as free software. Do they
> deserve to be treated with respect for doing that?
So let me correct my instance: I definitely don't assume malice on the
part of Lennart and other systemd people. Just a design taste which is
totally different from mine.
[...]
> Also, while I agree that Lennart is not out "to get us" in the sense of
> malicious laughter and diabolical plans, he _does_ seem to outright
> reject some principles which have been valued in the free-software world
> for decades, to want to see those principles crushed to whatever extent
> they interfere with his own goals, and to have zero sympathy or respect
> in practice for those who do value those principles. The end result may
> not be all that different.
They should -- because now it's a matter of perspectives, and our only
chance to survive that is to accept that. Just leave the respective others
enough room for their perspective.
> If some people decide that writing and pushing software designs which
> are actively opposed to their values is not worthy of respect, the fact
> that it is free software is not automatically enough to overcome that.
>
> > Systemd opponents often have their reasons for their opposition --
> > they aren't just "parroting" or "averse to change". They deserve to
> > have their decision respected too.
> >
> > Let's get along together, m'kay?
>
> Agreed. For what it's worth, I don't think this particular iteration of
> the discussion has gotten nearly as heated or as hostile or as harmful
> as many of the previous ones have done.
And luckily that. It's getting better. Phew :-)
Regards
- -- t
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