On 08/30/2015 05:00 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 29/08/2015 8:49 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > <snip rubbish> Really? Just because you disagree with somebody, their opinion is "rubbish"? > Read Lennart's own blog, you'll see that he is "in the business" of > making Linux his own; thus my coined phrase "Lennart's Linux". It's really sad to see that so many people assume bad faith on the other side of an argument, just because you disagree with them. It's also quite patronizing to those of us who don't share your extreme dislike of systemd, because if you think about it: what you are in fact impliying is that all who are not opposed to it have given up our free will to a single upstream developer. Do you really want to go so far and say that? > And ANYONE whom speaks against systemd is, quite simply, just like one > who utters the name Voldermort in the Harry Potter story. Both are > just as evil, but one is purely fictional. Again with the rhetoric... As I said elsewhere in this thread to somebody else: it's fine not to like systemd, it's fine not to like that Debian made it the default init system, it's fine not to want to use Debian anymore because of that, it's fine to express that opinion here. But seriously, comparing a free software project to a mass-murderer, even a fictional one? Not OK. (And it doesn't help at all if you are even remotely interested in convincing people.) Also, seriously, the other part of the analogy? Do you want me to remind you what actually happened in the story? The part about people being utterly terrified for their lives? The part about people who uttered that name and were caught were physically (!) tortured? Put in prison? That their families were threatened, sometimes also tortured and even murdered? When has something even remotely comparable happened to somebody opposed to systemd? The worst that has happened was that people got banned from discussion platforms because of abusive behavior. Nobody opposed to systemd was ever physically threatened because of their opinion. On the contrary: Lennart has received threats to his own life and well-being because of his work on systemd (and to a presumably lesser extent also for his work on PulseAudio). I've seen cases where people working on systemd upstream were very opinionated and headstrong, even slightly abrasive and dismissive at times. But I've NEVER seen them stoop to the level of rhetoric that I've seen in this thread (and others) by opponents of the project - and given that you aren't threatening anybody, your behavior is very far from the worst that I've seen coming from those opposed to systemd. From that perspective, your analogy reeks of irony. Christian
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