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On 08/28/2015 04:45 PM, Lisi Reisz
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On Friday 28 August 2015 16:16:11 Renaud OLGIATI wrote:Systemd-Linux to get rid of su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ Is this a trend to make _all_ the GNU-Linux tools disappear, and have _everything_ incorporated into systemd ?How come that Lennart Poettering is so powerful/important? "He's just this guy." But he says something will/must happen, and we all jump to. :-? Lisi
He isn't, Lisi. =)
If I might offer an opinion at the risk of feeding the trolls, some people just have a bad reaction to systemd in general, claiming that it is "absorbing" everything in sight. This is not entirely inaccurate, but it is certainly not true either. Reality is, as always, somewhere in the middle. People have made many claims about systemd's "monolithic design" that I find rather odd, when they have no problem with the Linux kernel for using the same techniques: linking binary modules. They had to find someone to blame for the "systemd problem", so they selected Lennart Poettering because he is the one of the team who helped create systemd. He is also a most vocal critic of traditional UNIX, which makes him the easiest target.
The reality of the situation is that "su" is part of the POSIX standard, period. The POSIX standard keeps the various UNIXs: Linux, FreeBSD, etc compatible enough to share code. No matter what Mr. Poettering thinks or does, or even if systemd offers an alternative - "su" is not going anywhere. That is the reason that "su" is installed on Debian by default, even if you use "sudo."
T.J.
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