Re: Flash update
On Saturday 27 June 2015 11:06:07 Brian wrote:
> On Sat 27 Jun 2015 at 09:45:02 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 27 June 2015 08:58:44 Brian wrote:
> > > On Sat 27 Jun 2015 at 02:54:26 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Friday 26 June 2015 13:34:00 Brian wrote:
> > > > > [Beware! Rampant snipping in progress]
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri 26 Jun 2015 at 09:38:53 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > > How do you live stream BBC iPlayer on a computer without the use
> > > > > > of Flash?
> > > > >
> > > > > A well formulated question. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Think in these terms:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Using iplayer with flash involves downloading a file.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Wouldn't it be nice if the file could be downloaded, preferably
> > > > > using a program which is in a package in the Debian archives?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Such a package has been mentioned in this thread. It is
> > > > > extensively documented at the program's home page and in its
> > > > > manual.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. The file being downloaded is a .flv. While it is being
> > > > > downloaded it is being stored on disk so it can be accessed and
> > > > > viewed. vlc is one player which can view .flv files.
> > > >
> > > > That's not live streaming. So it isn't how to "live stream BBC
> > > > iPlayer on a computer without the use of Flash". It is of course, a
> > > > way of playing BBC iPlayer. But I am quite happy to use Flash. I'd
> > > > rather use Open Source, but I also want both to live stream and to
> > > > keep my nose.
> > >
> > > Eh? You'd have to explain. The stream is being displayed by vlc while
> > > it is being downloaded. It doesn't get more "live" than that.
> >
> > Then you have gone beyond my present technical knowledge so I'll have a
> > good look at it after I have cracked 4OD. I thought that one had to
> > download first.
>
> You appear to be thinking in terms of "downloading" being the completed,
> stored product (I downloaded a .deb file) rather than a process.
In this context that is exactly what I - clearly erroneously - thought.
>
> > It ws you who had failed to explain. Hints and then let the child solve
> > the problem for himself are certainly the best way to teach. But only if
> > the child knows what to try and do.
>
> The principle was brilliantly explained. How you apply it is up to you.
>
> To illustrate it I would do:
>
> 1. Open a terminal and issue the command
>
> wget
> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2014/mini-debconf-ba
>rcelona/The_Earth_is_not_flat_and_other_heresies_by_Allison_Randal.webm
>
> 2. In a second terminal
>
> vlc ~/The_Earth_is_not_flat_and_other_heresies_by_Allison_Randal.webm
>
> > So OK, you win! But the other people I know who use get-iplayer
> > regularly have been having problems recently which I understood were the
> > BBC deliberately moving the goal post to stop them. Are you not or is
> > that not so?
>
> I hadn't realised this was a game of winners and losers. But in fact you
> win because you are now in possession of some knowledge you didn't have
> before.
Agreed. Thank you.
> I have the same problems others have when things change. Usually I can
> relocate the goalposts with a bit of effort.
>
> > Ah! I am very out of date!
> > http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer
> >
> > But here is where I was at (I had in fact read this earlier):
> > http://linuxcentre.net/get_iplayer-dropped-in-response-to-bbcs-lack-of-su
> >pport-for-open-source
> >
> > it sounds great and worth an effort. So, thank you. But I'll get 4OD
> > going one way or another first.
>
> http://linuxcentre.net/ is no longer the development or distribution
> centre for get_iplayer.
I'll shelve trying to improve my Google-foo until I have solved Channel 4.
> I'd suggest abandoning pipelight and going with the Linux version of
> flash plus the hal packages would be a route to success.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try it.
Lisi
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