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Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely



On 03/02/2014 02:02 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 02/03/14 16:53, yaro@marupa.net wrote:
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 04:25:13 PM Scott Ferguson wrote:
On 02/03/14 11:28, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-03-02 at 10:55 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
Here's mine:-
troll elsewhere - try rabbleRus.org or LetMeTellUWhat2Do.mob

:D

We Arch users made a poll. Even if more users would have been against
systemd, the developers would have switched to systemd, but most users
wanted systemd. We, around 49% and me were against systemd, but around
51 % were pro systemd. Nowadays it makes live easier for all of us who
use several different distros, when _all_ or at least the most important
distros will switch to systemd. To discuss pros and cons of systemd a
time machine is needed, to go back more than 3 years ago. To discuss it
in 2014 is a little bit to late.
Same with Debian based on what I read, the vote was fairly evenly split,
which is why it went to the Technical Committee, who were also fairly
evenly split.

Which probably demonstrates why there's no hidden agenda going on surrounding
systemd and there were legitimate reasons why it was finally chosen.

My concern is that it's a divisive issue that would be tempting for
third parties to exacerbate and exploit. Commercial software vendors,
and the companies that do their "marketing" and "public relation" might
want to take advantage of the situation to reduce the market share they
lose to Debian (and Linux as a whole). It wouldn't be that far from the
sort of dirty tactics they've employed in the past.
Definitely reasonable concerns, though to be honest, Linux's detractors would
have looked for something else to latch onto if systemd wasn't divisive
enough.
As well as?

In a few more years I imagine most people opposed to systemd won't
have a problem with it being there after all after using it for a bit.
I'd be very surprised if it wasn't modified to suit the needs of the
majority of developers - and they tend have the same itches as the
"users", just slightly less conservative about their "needs". But I'm
not a futurist.
Though I did try voting conservative for a change - not surprisingly I
was disappointed ;p


Has it occurred to anyone that the devs keep making changes to things
that work perfectly well, because if they didn't, they wouldn't have anything
to do, and might be out of a job?

--doug


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